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    Posted: July 22 2002,5:06 am QUOTE

Grumble! Grumble! In the last week, there have been two new caches placed almost on top of caches I already had in place!!! One cache was placed by someone who had only found 5, and the other by someone who has only found 6. These are thier first caches hidden. Both are within 500 feet of mine. This is really annoying. I spent time before placing my caches, to make sure they were'nt near anyone elses cache. I try to make sure that they are a decent distance, and and not an easy trek away.

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    Posted: July 22 2002,10:56 am QUOTE

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Grumble! Grumble! In the last week, there have been two new caches placed almost on top of caches I already had in place!!!

How important is this to everyone? One solution would be to ask the NaviCache site owners to put a distance check on the cache submission form. Caches too close to existing caches would not be allowed to be placed.

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    Posted: July 22 2002,11:20 am QUOTE

It really depends on the terrain. A cache could be 100 feet away, yet if it is on the other side of a river, or chasm, it might as well be a mile away. Yet if you hike in .5 miles through rough terrain, and once you get in there, there are 2 caches an easy 450' walk appart, what is the point of having two caches in that spot? Some of the parks around here are pretty big, with large areas with no caches. A little research would reveal whether there are caches nearby.

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    Posted: July 22 2002,1:53 pm QUOTE

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if you hike in .5 miles through rough terrain, and once you get in there, there are 2 caches an easy 450' walk appart, what is the point of having two caches in that spot?

Maybe someone likes the idea of having more than one cache to find after hiking 0.5 miles through rough terrain. Or maybe they just didn't bother to check. Why not email them and find out?

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    Posted: July 22 2002,7:14 pm QUOTE

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One cache was placed by someone who had only found 5, and the other by someone who has only found 6. These are thier first caches hidden. Both are within 500 feet of mine. This is really annoying.


My, my!!  Sounds like you're coming down with a severe case of elitism!!!  I didn't realize there was a seniority structure in place for entitlement to place caches, or there were territories staked out!!

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Both are within 500 feet of mine.


What possible difference could it make?  No one is likely to find the "intruder" cache by accident, and unless they've done a distance search or have both of them stored as waypoints, they wouldn't be aware of it.  If someone wants to hit both of them in the same afternoon, so what?

One thing that makes this a fun hobby is that it can be pursued by anyone on many different levels without any rules and regulations except common sense and obeying trespass and environmental laws.  Let's keep it that way.

Lighten up!!!! :nono
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    Posted: July 22 2002,8:57 pm QUOTE

Welcome hugatree,

You should've been here a few weeks ago.   :^^
We coulda teamed up on good old hinge .

That aside though, I'm gonna have to side with Hinge on this one.  I put alot of time and effort into my caches, I've spent over 3 months on a single cache.  If someone where to come put close to mine I would be a little miffed.  Now that being said part of one of my caches is around 200ft from someone else's cache who was there first.  BUT:
1) I had the entire thing mapped out before they placed
2) In the park there isn't to many areas that aren't fragile
3) It was a "wrong location" for my cache so people shouldn't have ended up there anyway.
I also did one on a cliff side that was around 500 ft away but it was around a cliff side so it definately wasn't easily within reach.  

I think if I had a cache in a large park with many potential areas and 2 caches showed up near mine (I could probably handle 1).  I'd feel a little jipped.  I mean I put the time and effort in and then someone else just copies it... actually did they come to your cache or not hinge?  Was it like hey he made a good cache I'm gonna piggyback of it, or could they possibly have placed it without knowing (yes they should have check the pages... but they are newbies).

Regardless I can understand hinge's annoyance.

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    Posted: July 23 2002,12:44 am QUOTE

Heres how I look at it...

I myself do not have any problem with caches being placed in the same park, it's bound to happen and there is enough room for this to be allowed. I think a person however should try his/her best to make sure there is enough room between the caches, but I too like to hunt a couple of caches within any given area.

Maybe if a person is going to place a cche near another it would be a good idea to make it a multi waypoint cache hunt so that at least the direct coordinates are not listed near the other.

I do see each of your points and I am sure in each way you could be right, but in any event I am most certain that this was only an error in placement as they did not know there was a cache so close by. Best way to fix and or correct this would be to e-mail the cache placer and explain your cache location and see what can be done to work things out. As a matter of fact many of you long time caching vets should lend a hand in helping the new Geocachers with idea's for placing caches. I would tend to me more upset with people for not trying to place any caches at all rather than with someone who is trying to provide us with some fun adventures. These people took the time and some expense in placing this cache and I think we should be greatful for the chance. So lets all pitch in and help others that are new to the sport and you will find that your next adventure may well be from this person  :)

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    Posted: July 23 2002,2:14 am QUOTE

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I myself do not have any problem with caches being placed in the same park, it's bound to happen and there is enough room for this to be allowed. I think a person however should try his/her best to make sure there is enough room between the caches, but I too like to hunt a couple of caches within any given area.

On a couple of occasions, I've thought that there were better places to hide a cache in the area that someone has already hidden one.  For instance, when scratching arround in brambles at the base of trees, because *everyone* hides their cache at the base of a tree, with little or no signals received, I've seen much better places that would actually test peoples thinking.   :oo:

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    Posted: July 23 2002,5:11 am QUOTE

I emailed both of the people that placed their caches on top of mine. One of them did remove their cache. I was especially happy about that one, as I had spent a bit of time planning the placement of that cache.
No, the people who placed their caches under 500 feet away from mine, hadn't done my caches. Also, they were both the first caches the people had placed. So it was just inexperience, and inattention. I think they were just so enthusiastic to place caches, they got ahead of themselves (thats why I mentioned the low number of caches they had done, not elitism).
I think anyone who had done some of my caches (especially the later ones), will know that I spend time planning my caches.

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    Posted: July 23 2002,5:56 am QUOTE

Quote (Hinge Thunder @ July 23 2002,07:11 am)
(not elitism).

New rule!   if we are going to use big words please provide websters explanation of said word for those of us (Me) that have to keep looking them up.  :grinnin

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    Posted: July 23 2002,7:01 am QUOTE

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(not elitism).

New rule!   if we are going to use big words please provide websters explanation of said word for those of us (Me) that have to keep looking them up.  :grinnin

Elitism; the desire to own a sportscar made by Lotus.
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Hope that helps.

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    Posted: July 23 2002,12:48 pm QUOTE

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New rule!   if we are going to use big words please provide websters explanation of said word for those of us (Me) that have to keep looking them up.  :grinnin

I will endeavor to keep the vocabulary of my posts monosyllabic, so you will not need to consult your lexicon!

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Posted: July 23 2002,3:33 pm QUOTE

With all vocabulary talk aside, I kinda agree with Hinge on this one also...

When I get ready to hide a cache, I like to find a place that nobody has thought of or a place that is rather unique and out of the way. That's part of our hobby - not only finding the cache, but enjoying the hunt; when someone finds my cache, I want them to experience how I had to place the cache in the first place.

Like Hinge said, what's the point of having 2 or more caches within 500' of one another, especially if it is an extremely hard find. There's no challenge to 2 cache sites that are extremely hard to get to, but are 500' from one another. It defeats the purpose. If you want to run your cache find numbers up, that's great, but to me it takes away from the spirit of the hobby - IMHO.

If a person wanted to hide a cache in a park, say in Black Creek park out in Chili, New York, there's several hidden there, but all are at least 1/4 of a mile from each other and you can consider them each a true separate cache location.

Not trying to be an elitist, but why would you steal someone's cool (or uncool) hiding place? I've run into several caches that I thought were very nice hiding places, and well thought out, but I haven't placed any near the hiding spot for this reason. Someone took the time to research and find the right hiding spot for their cache, so why sneak yours into a spot that is close by? There's plenty of areas that don't have caches yet... To me it shows a little lack of creativity & originality.

Just my opinion, so take it as such!

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    Posted: July 24 2002,1:43 am QUOTE

Since I can't get all sesquipedalian, I'll just say that I have two caches that are within 200' of each other.

It takes about 45 minutes to walk that 200' though so that seems okay.
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    Posted: Jan. 16 2003,11:56 am QUOTE

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Not trying to be an elitist, but why would you steal someone's cool (or uncool) hiding place? I've run into several caches that I thought were very nice hiding places, and well thought out, but I haven't placed any near the hiding spot for this reason. Someone took the time to research and find the right hiding spot for their cache, so why sneak yours into a spot that is close by? There's plenty of areas that don't have caches yet... To me it shows a little lack of creativity & originality.

My first cache "Berrytown Cache Too", I copied another persons idea.  He had a great idea, and didn't mind that I copied it.

I used the same town as a starting place.
I used different points for the clues.
I used a totally different location for the cache.
I used some other cache locations for the wrong answers.
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I wouldn't put a cache near someone elses.  I am planning two caches that are near each other and related.  But they are about 5 miles apart.

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    Posted: Jan. 16 2003,12:09 pm QUOTE

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I wouldn't put a cache near someone elses.

Sometimes it happens without knowing. There's no database that keeps track of second, third, or later legs of multi-stage caches. Some of those inadvertently end up close to others.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2003,12:19 pm QUOTE

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I wouldn't put a cache near someone elses.

Sometimes it happens without knowing. There's no database that keeps track of second, third, or later legs of multi-stage caches. Some of those inadvertently end up close to others.

I try to check out the multis in my area.  In fact Berrytown Too is hidden in the place I thought Berrytown should be.  Boy was I wrong.  

I know a guy that spreads multis all over the place.   Some are fifty miles apart.  Usually the clues are located close to the cache.

You are right of course mistakes can be made.  I feel like it is squatters rights.  If my cache is too close to yours and you were first then I will move IT!   :oo:

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Posted: Jan. 20 2003,3:03 pm QUOTE

:oo: I just don't see a problem. Where I live, I wish people would bring more caches around. The more to hunt the better. And if they end up right on top of one of my caches, so be it. I'll seek it out and check on my caches while I'm there!!     Cache On!!! Seeker BP
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    Posted: Sep. 21 2006,10:35 am QUOTE

Well I just signed up here and see the same old arguments all over again. While I can see both sides of the issue there are other things to consider. With the price of gas today, it is nice to have caches closer together. Also, there are more than this just this group of Geocachers. There are people that belong to just one group and some belong to several. This in itself can lead to caches on top of yours from other caching groups. I have put out many caches and I have found that in some areas that if there is only one then a lot of cachers will not bother to drive to find it. Sorry to say, but that is a fact. Some cachers have health problems that limit their doing a lot of strenuous searching and they prefer to have several in the area to find on a single hike. Some can't even do the hike so those urban caches are ideal for them. I try to make a lot of my caches interesting. If someone wants to drop an easy one near mine, they are more than welcome. I have received numerous emails, from cachers that don't like a challenge, saying that they won't do any more of mine. I didn't put those cache out for that type of cacher. The difficulty level and the logs should be enough to discourage them before they even start. If you  have an interesting cache and it takes time to find, what is the problem if another persons finds an interesting place near yours? I thought the idea was in the hunt and not the distance? I agree with not too close if it means finding yours by mistake while looking for a different cache. On another note, the type of caches a person hides will draw those cachers that like that type of challenge. You will become known for the quality of the cache. What I like about this sport is that there is something for everyone. And as always, for those that disagree, all of this is just IMHO.
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    Posted: Sep. 22 2006,10:17 am QUOTE

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Well I just signed up here and see the same old arguments all over again. While I can see both sides of the issue there are other things to consider. With the price of gas today, it is nice to have caches closer together. Also, there are more than this just this group of Geocachers. There are people that belong to just one group and some belong to several. This in itself can lead to caches on top of yours from other caching groups. I have put out many caches and I have found that in some areas that if there is only one then a lot of cachers will not bother to drive to find it. Sorry to say, but that is a fact. Some cachers have health problems that limit their doing a lot of strenuous searching and they prefer to have several in the area to find on a single hike. Some can't even do the hike so those urban caches are ideal for them. I try to make a lot of my caches interesting. If someone wants to drop an easy one near mine, they are more than welcome. I have received numerous emails, from cachers that don't like a challenge, saying that they won't do any more of mine. I didn't put those cache out for that type of cacher. The difficulty level and the logs should be enough to discourage them before they even start. If you  have an interesting cache and it takes time to find, what is the problem if another persons finds an interesting place near yours? I thought the idea was in the hunt and not the distance? I agree with not too close if it means finding yours by mistake while looking for a different cache. On another note, the type of caches a person hides will draw those cachers that like that type of challenge. You will become known for the quality of the cache. What I like about this sport is that there is something for everyone. And as always, for those that disagree, all of this is just IMHO.

Wow, now here is an interesting old thread  :D  It was started in 2002, and I believe there definately was a "one park, one cache" mentality back then. Even though I myself didn't start until 2003, there still weren't too many caches around, and you could still read the old logs :grinnin

I'd even kind of consider myself the first to do this in my area, I put a cache about .25 miles from an exisiting one in December 2003 (both caches still exist), then a few months later, I put a night only fire tack cache with it's starting point only the geocaching.com minimum of 528 feet from an existing cache. Did these two existing cachers (both long since disappeared from the sport) get mad at me? I dunno, but they definately never contacted me, or made any smart comments.

These days in my area, I can safely say no one cares. If there's room in a park, go ahead and squeeze another in.

But I can see the original point, from the golden days of caching, that if you found a cool spot, it would be rather rude of someone to come and drop another cache there (especially only 500 ft. away) , when there were plenty of other places available back then. And that was before people started putting caches in parking lots, even  :tungue2


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    Posted: Sep. 22 2006,3:48 pm QUOTE

It is also relative to the terrain. For exanple: 200 feet apart may be 175 feet of wide open ravine or river requiring several miles of travel to reach the other side.

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