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    Posted: Sep. 17 2003,8:40 am QUOTE

OK, it's time to bring it out in the open. It comes up regularly in other forums. If it's being talked about down the street, it probably needs to be brought up in the parlor, too. Even though it runs the risk of bruising feelings. No amount of tact can necessarily prevent someone from feeling that their baby has just been called ugly. Especially since beauty is such a subjective factor that there is no single definition for. Anyway, here goes.

Apparently, some believe the Navicache look and feel needs an overhaul. I've heard some say they'll never use the site as it currently looks. Others say they'll use it despite its appearance. And, yes, some have even called it plain ugly. Maybe this thread can be used to determine just how widespread those feelings are out there. So, sound off about what you like and dislike about the look and feel of the site.

And, in the spirit of constructive criticism, don't just say what you don't like. Say what change would make it better. No sense getting rid of one unpopular page element unless you know that the replacement is going to be received better.


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    Posted: Sep. 17 2003,11:09 am QUOTE

I have to admit that the first time I logged on to this site my first thoughts were that it look pretty plain Jane. Some usability aspects seemed undesirable too. I haven't really use the site long enough yet to get a feel for the whole thing. Currently I don't have any constructive input until I use this site some more. I'm more used to the other site so this site seem a little foreign right now.
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    Posted: Sep. 17 2003,3:26 pm QUOTE

My understanding is that the site is undergoing a complete overhaul? So hopefully the look and feel will get better.  I think I may have stated this elsewhere but:

1) I hate light blue (almost any other color would do it for me)
2) That distracting navicache logo background behind all pages has got to go.   It's a good logo, just not as background.
3) Give us control over the background of our cache listing pages (even a site-approved palette of alternate colors would be better than forcing us to endure the navicache logo (see #2 above) on all our listings
4) A "my navicache" page would be great.  Some of this type of functionality already exists.

Basically for me the aesthetic concerns are secondary.  I can do inline html img src= tags, so I can put in my own images, and by using tables I can blot out much of the logo background.  What really rocks about Navicache is that they are approving types of caches that geocaching.com won't.  Give me really creative and different caches and I'll view them in all light blue if necessary.
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    Posted: Sep. 17 2003,3:52 pm QUOTE

Honestly, I prefer this site.

I don't like all the fancy schmancy crap most web sites include to look "cool". :sick

I think it's well organized, easy to use and clear.

This is where my caching started and I still hadn't accepted all the "features" on the other site even before they "improved" everything. :rolleyes

I prefer the layout of the cache pages here - especially the way the essential cache information amd maps are grouped. The background may be a bit of a distraction at times but not often.

I REALLY prefer the more positive attitudes and helpful opinions here over the bickering in the other forums.

I use the site as a tool to get the info I need to reach outdoor destinations, not as a destination in and of itself. I'd rather put more time and effort into a quality cache than nitpick over the html to make flashy listings. And yes, I can and do use html quite a bit where it matters - usually it's just a distraction on cache pages.

I realize I am a bit of a tech geek who is sick of all the calls to make everything so user friendly that a retarded monkey with a 4 second attention span could use it, but that's my opinion :p

I find it really interesting that users of the other site who have finally gotten fed up with it are coming over here and trying to make it more like "their" site....


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    Posted: Sep. 17 2003,8:03 pm QUOTE

I agree the site could use some cleaning up, and some more functionality, but its always been a welcome change to come over here from GC....I've been using both sites since the very first day I started caching....

I think one of the FIRST things that would be a great improvement is to get more people to post or even double post their caches here....That seems to be the biggest single complaint I hear.
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    Posted: Sep. 18 2003,11:09 am QUOTE

I think the main critisism from me would have to be the cache pages. Over here in the UK we just get a big empty space where the map would go. I appreciate that the cost of showing a map in the UK is a lot more than the US but if the page was rearranged a little we could see cache description instead of a big gap.

One other personal gripe, table borders. :sick

Rather have functionality though   :thumbs-up

By the way, if you need any help just ask.
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    Posted: Sep. 22 2003,4:57 am QUOTE

Sorry for the delay in any kind of response, just getting back on line after days of no power due to Hurricane Isabel.

While there is currently no default map image displayed for caches outside the U.S., there are icons located below the map window that will produce a map in this area. We hope to have a default map for non U.S. caches in the future.


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    Posted: Sep. 22 2003,12:16 pm QUOTE

Quote (cenobite07 @ Sep. 17 2003,5:52 pm)
I think it's well organized, easy to use and clear.

I think it's poorly organized and how to use things is far from clear.

I still haven't figured out how to get to a page with my user information without logging back in.


I have no problem with the way it 'looks' (color scheme, etc) but the layout is TERRIBLE.  There is room for major functionality improvements.

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    Posted: Sep. 22 2003,12:27 pm QUOTE

Quote (southdeltan @ Sep. 22 2003,2:16 pm)
Quote (cenobite07 @ Sep. 17 2003,5:52 pm)
I think it's well organized, easy to use and clear.

I think it's poorly organized and how to use things is far from clear.

I still haven't figured out how to get to a page with my user information without logging back in.


I have no problem with the way it 'looks' (color scheme, etc) but the layout is TERRIBLE.  There is room for major functionality improvements.

southdeltan

The fact that you can not get to your user information without logging back in is intentional. You can not see your info, or that of another user by design.

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    Posted: Sep. 22 2003,12:42 pm QUOTE

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The fact that you can not get to your user information without logging back in is intentional. You can not see your info, or that of another user by design.

Here's the situation southdeltan was talking about (I think). Go to the Home Page. Click on "Member Login". Log in. That brings you to your profile page. So far, so good.

Now click on "Home." That brings you back to the home page as expected. You should still be logged in to the site, right? But how can you navigate back to your profile page? The only way I can see is to go back through the login process.

Maybe that's by design. But it is not intuitive. I expect that once I'm logged into a site, I can navigate pretty much freely around the site without having to log back in if I want to get back to this page or that.


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    Posted: Sep. 22 2003,2:10 pm QUOTE

Scout is correct.  If that is by design, that is a VERY poorly thought out idea.  It's a pain in my butt to keep signing in after I do something, such as list a cache.

If there's another way, please show me - but I've not found it.

It also says 'keep me logged in' yet it does not - that is a pain in the butt too.

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    Posted: Sep. 22 2003,2:43 pm QUOTE

The "Remember me" function you refer to is for the 'Forums' and not the Main Site. Currently both have seperate logins.

When you login to the Main Site by clicking on 'Member Login' and then go to "Hide A Cache" to submit a new cache listing, your Username and Password fields should already be populated. If this is not happening, please let me know. If you leave the Main Site and come back, then yes, you will need to login again.

We are currently working on an update that will include a universal login for all sections, but there are migration issues that need to be worked out before it goes live.


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    Posted: Sep. 22 2003,2:52 pm QUOTE

Quote (Scout @ Sep. 22 2003,2:42 pm)
Here's the situation southdeltan was talking about (I think). Go to the Home Page. Click on "Member Login". Log in. That brings you to your profile page. So far, so good.

Now click on "Home." That brings you back to the home page as expected. You should still be logged in to the site, right? But how can you navigate back to your profile page? The only way I can see is to go back through the login process.

Maybe that's by design. But it is not intuitive. I expect that once I'm logged into a site, I can navigate pretty much freely around the site without having to log back in if I want to get back to this page or that.

Now if this is what was being referred to, yes it is a weakness and the fix will be coming soon.

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    Posted: Sep. 24 2003,10:20 pm QUOTE

While I welcome the alternative, I find this site awkward to use and unpleasant visually. If the looks were not so distractive I might have more patients with the navigation or if I could find my way round more easily the look probably wouldn't bother me so much. But when you combine the two...
Sorry if this offends anyone, I post it only with the hope that constructive criticism will lead to an alternative site that I would enjoy using.
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    Posted: Sep. 25 2003,8:16 am QUOTE

If you want to see change, you need to be a little more specific. Concidering most featurs on the site are pretty straight forward, "It is awkward to use" does not tell us much. What specific funtion are you having problems with?

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    Posted: Sep. 25 2003,5:53 pm QUOTE

I like the look of this board. Like all things that are new to a person, it just takes time to get to know, but after a day or two, it really has some advantages over other sites, like the additional options when listing caches, the extra smiley faces for postings (add MORE! I like em), and the overall feel of the board. Lets not forget the friendly people running the site, too. I say don't change a thing, except for the constant need to log in to the board, then the chat, then the board again...other than that, PERFECT!

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    Posted: Sep. 26 2003,1:30 am QUOTE

Quote (PC Medic @ Sep. 22 2003,6:57 am)
Sorry for the delay in any kind of response, just getting back on line after days of no power due to Hurricane Isabel.

While there is currently no default map image displayed for caches outside the U.S., there are icons located below the map window that will produce a map in this area. We hope to have a default map for non U.S. caches in the future.

Sorry, I wasn't complaining about the lack of a map. I understand that here in the UK we have to pay for these things several times over. Once in taxes to produce them and again to use them   :angry:

I was refering to the huge blank space on the page when there is no map present. Any way of generating a slightly different layout for caches without maps?


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    Posted: Sep. 26 2003,12:23 pm QUOTE

We will add this to our list.

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    Posted: Sep. 27 2003,4:34 pm QUOTE

Heres a couple of things I'd like to see added:

the ability to edit and delete cache logs I have made.

I'm sure I'll think of others as I use the site more...:)
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    Posted: Sep. 27 2003,8:27 pm QUOTE

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Heres a couple of things I'd like to see added:

the ability to edit and delete cache logs I have made.

OK, you just wanted to send me out on bug patrol right?

Members already have the ability to Edit or Delete there log entries. Trick is, you have to be logged in to do it. After logging in when you are on a cache page where you have submitted a log entry, you will notice that the log contains a few options, including Edit or Delete this log.

If you are not seeing this let me know.


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    Posted: Oct. 02 2003,6:06 pm QUOTE

Comments on the site;
1. I agree the issue of the ability to log in 1x to both areas needs to be cleaned up. Get us on and let us go.
2. I like the color scheme.
3. I like the score totals. I have a greater interest in the higher rated caches to keep my average "up" so I do not like having to view a cache listing to see the cache rating. Provide the rating w/ the cache name.
4. In my opinion the 'newest caches' page should be more region/country specific. Possibly have columns of new caches by dividing the world into regions or countries. I personally do not have any interest in searching thru the new euro listings for the new NY or USA caches.

Thanks for the opportunity to comment.
p.s. where is the NYGO link?
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    Posted: Oct. 03 2003,6:26 am QUOTE

Sorry PC....

I guess why I didnt see the edit/delete options on my log right after entering the original log must be due to the lack of a cookie for the main site login?.....I think I left the site after making the entry, then came back a couple minutes later to edit it, but no edit option.

I guess I must be spoiled by almost every other website I log into, in that once I log in, I'm in until I clear the cookies out of my cache....

One thing I would like to see on the cache search results page is an icon or something designating which caches you have already logged finds on.

I also think some sort of map page showing caches by state or region, with different icons showing which you have and have not found....

Kinda like the page everyone has been screaming for on GC.com for the past several months...
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    Posted: Nov. 02 2003,11:49 am QUOTE

i'm not particularly fond of the logo.  i made a little angelfire site this week and made my own little pic for the link to navicache.com  ..  http://www.angelfire.com/folk/chaosmajik/links.html

how's that look..
i don't know the best way for making such things. i just did that in paint and MS picture it..
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    Posted: Nov. 02 2003,12:37 pm QUOTE

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i'm not particularly fond of the logo.  i made a little angelfire site this week and made my own little pic for the link to navicache.com  ..  http://www.angelfire.com/folk/chaosmajik/links.html

how's that look..

Doesn't look bad... But Calvin is here to stay for now.

It would be preferred for consistency and familiarity that if you are to use a graphic image on your site as a link, you should use one of the 'official' logos/images of the site you are linking to. Helps reduce confusion and prevent dilution of the trademarks.

If you do not like Calvin Cache, perhaps this one is more to your liking...



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    Posted: Nov. 02 2003,12:53 pm QUOTE

i figured you would come up with something.. that is much better thanks..
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    Posted: Nov. 03 2003,1:32 am QUOTE

Frankly the following needs addressed:

The GUI really needs some work.
     a)But with all the disparate "must have, gotta have, can't have, gotta access site w/ my mobile phone / palm / pocket pc, etc..... It's no wonder the GUI is lacking.

      b)Personally, I'd use an auto detect browser function that would re-direct to non-standard (mobile phone / palm / etc...) version of the site. Cripes If ya want the masses to come here...build for the masses!

Calvin works...but I'd make him loose the bottom part of his bod for logos.

     a)The above logo is just too busy, and is too difficult to actually read the words in it.

     b)Settle on ONE logo and actually spend the $ to FEDERALLY TRADEMARK IT. The be merciless in it's use. Currently "Navicache" isn't trademarked.

Make the "Remember Me" actually remember me! Otherwise, remove the option. It is confuing and just tends to irritate the heck out of me every time I come to the site.

Just my 2 cents worth


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    Posted: Nov. 03 2003,5:55 am QUOTE

Simply the GUI does not look well on hand helds because it is designed for PC/Mac browser viewing. Most folks accessing via a handheld would be doing so to retrieve cache data and for that we have a seperate interface. For that reason, this area has not been a priority.

Regarding the logo (which are Trade Marks by the way), we have settled on one for use on the site. That is why everytime soemone comes along and says, 'I think you should change this in your logo' you do not see it happen. That does not mean that we do not maintain the other logo as well. As for the text being unreadably in the 'Cache me if you can' logo, this is due to the fact that it was quickly resized in the example shown above in this thread as that member was looking for something more in that line (size/dimension) for use as a graphic link on his site.  

The remember me feature (I am assuming you mean the forums) is cookie based, and providing your cookie and security options are set correctly in your browser should be working fine.


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    Posted: Nov. 03 2003,8:01 am QUOTE

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Simply the GUI does not look well on hand helds because it is designed for PC/Mac browser viewing.

I have seen complaints about the look and feel of the site on several forums, which is why I created this thread in the first place. The critiques were not about accessing the site from handhelds. Reading this thread, I see no evidence that the site owners believe that there's anything wrong with the look and feel, and few specific complaints from readers that the site owners could act on, even if they were inclined to. I predict things will stay pretty much as they are: the site's look and the critiques.


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    Posted: Nov. 03 2003,8:05 am QUOTE

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The remember me feature (I am assuming you mean the forums) is cookie based, and providing your cookie and security options are set correctly in your browser should be working fine.

The "remember me" feature quit working for me suddenly a month or two ago. It quit working on several machines simultaneously. If something changed in my cookie/security options on several machines simultaneously, I'm not aware of what it was. My settings appear to be OK.

Update: I deleted my cookies (again) and this time the site remembered me since my last login. Let's see if it sticks.

Update #2: Less than 24 hours later, the cookies have quit remembering me. I have to log in again. How long are those cookies supposed to satisfy one's appetite?


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    Posted: Nov. 03 2003,12:41 pm QUOTE

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I see no evidence that the site owners believe that there's anything wrong with the look and feel, and few specific complaints from readers that the site owners could act on, even if they were inclined to. I predict things will stay pretty much as they are: the site's look and the critiques.

And this is where someone has finally "hit the nail on the head" as they say.

I have actually seen some of the threads Scout refers to on OTHER sites or in OTHER news groups where someone mentions something they do not like about the look and feel. Problem is that a) this complaints are very small in percentage and b) those same folks rarely come here to make mention or contact us through the appropriate form.  If you have a suggestion about something you would like to see changed or added, this is the place to make it. I mean you do'nt go to Burger King to tell them you would like to see Taco Bell add burgers to the menu do you? Or maybe you do.

As for the prediction about 'things staying pretty much the same", don't join the carnival just yet!  :grinnin
We implement most changes that are suggested. However as pointed out earlier, cosmetics is not the priority right now.

By the way, the site owners see plenty of evidence that updates are needed, but functionality is what is being worked on as a priority and not it doesn't look pretty. That does not mean you can not make the suggestions so we know what folks want when we get to that part. But please make them here


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