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    Posted: Feb. 28 2010,9:43 pm QUOTE

Hi,

As far as I know cross-listing of caches on different sites is encouraged here. One problem with that is that a finder has to sort out which caches he listed on more than one page, e.g. for statistics list a simple overall find-count.

I think it would be a nice idea to be able to specify the ids of a cache on other sites, when submitting or also altering a cache. Of course everyone can do that in the description, but with an extra field for this it could be used by automatic tools to recognize cross-listed caches easily. It would even make logging a cache on multiple pages easier because a link to the other cache page could be easily given from navicache.com. No need to look for that same cache on another site anymore, just one click.
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    Posted: Mar. 01 2010,2:30 pm QUOTE

I'd like to have the ability to knew which caches are crosslisted (primarily on Groundspeak) to make it easier to see which caches I would want to hunt here.

Big Green is still my primary source of caches and I'm here (and at TerraCaching) to get more caches.  I don't log caches on more than one site, so I can easily keep track of my true total geocache finds.

One thing that would help a bit would be what TerraCaching offers - links for nearest: TerraCaches, Geocaches, Navicaches.

(Side note, I've recommend that they change that to  "Nearest Geocaches on: TerraCaching, Groundspeak, Navicache", so as to not cede the word "geocache" to Jeremy and crew.)


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    Posted: Mar. 01 2010,2:44 pm QUOTE

Related to an attribute for cross-listed.  It would be nice if there was a field or attribute in the Hide A Cache page for Unique Navicache, meaning its not cross-listed.  Perhaps an attribute can toggle between unique and cross-listed.  The majority of navicaches out in my neck of the woods are cross listed with groundspeak and when I hunt navicaches, I want to know what ones are not cross-listed.  I even advertise on my own navicache descriptions that they are unique to the navicache database.
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    Posted: Mar. 01 2010,3:17 pm QUOTE

All of this has been covered (more than once) over the years and was a very sore subject at one point. In the beginning GC and Navicache were the only real listing services out there (and Buxley's) was providing mapping services). A proposal was made by that it would be nice if we shared databases to which Groundspeak made it very clear they had no desire to work with other listing services. In fact they even threatened law suits at one time and until just a couple years ago would censor any posts in their forums that contained certain words (like navicache).
Any way if you search the forums here and on some of the other sites, you will see how we once tried to push for an 'open-caching' format allowing the cache owner to post to only one site and have it appear and be tracked on all participating sites. Unfortunately some had more commercial interest in mind and it just never came to be.


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    Posted: Mar. 01 2010,7:03 pm QUOTE

Oh, my intention was not to copy all the data of other sites. However, I can do with _my_ caches what I want. I can cross-list them if I want and nobody can say something against me putting a link from the navicache site to another one (apart from navicache of course, but they don't).

So, there is no handle here for another side. Of course I am here only speaking of being able to do that to _my own_ caches. It might get a bit more problematic to 'tag' caches of other users as being cross-listed. I didn't propose that. Sorry if this created confusion.

It would simply transform the sentence "This cache is also listed on XYZ as ABC." in the description into a more formal form.
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    Posted: Mar. 02 2010,6:43 am QUOTE

Quote (Joukkusisu @ Mar. 01 2010,4:44 pm)
Related to an attribute for cross-listed.  It would be nice if there was a field or attribute in the Hide A Cache page for Unique Navicache, meaning its not cross-listed.  Perhaps an attribute can toggle between unique and cross-listed.  

Actually, this would be great, whether people did it themselves or there was an actual "attribute" to check off built into the page.


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    Posted: June 06 2012,12:52 am QUOTE

Now that there is new ownership, I would like to see some movement on the cross-listing issue. I think any site which encourages cross-listing is foolish, as the majority of cross-listed caches are cross-listed from GC.com and therefore are highly unlikely to benefit any alternative listing site they are cross-listed on.

My first preference would be for the new owners of NC to discourage cross-listing, and encourage the placement of new caches, unique to NC. If this is not something they wish to do, then the attribute discussed above would be the next most preferable outcome. It would be hiding the problem, rather than solving it - but at least it would allow the many cachers who are not numbers chasers (and do not want to log a cache as found on more than one site) to hide and seek for unique caches, rather than filter through the same old cross-listed ones.
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    Posted: June 06 2012,7:47 am QUOTE

I agree about not encouraging crosslisting, but don't think it should be forbidden.  Some cache owners may wish to crosslist for one reason or another - either just to see how the system works or to test the waters.

I know if Groundspeak, for instance, tried to tell me that I couldn't list information at about my caches elsewhere, I'd think they were being heavy handed.

At OpenCaching.US, we have an attribute for caches that are unique to the site.  I've recently been thinking of other ways we could highlight them or make the unique caches more prominent.  Something for management here to consider, as well.


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    Posted: June 06 2012,9:45 am QUOTE

I was not suggesting forbidding cross-listing, merely either discouraging it, or not encouraging it. :)
While I personally am no great fan of cross-listing, I understand others may wish to do so at times. The worst that can happen to any site, however, is a proliferation of cross-listed caches. With nothing novel to attract new cachers to the site, any hope of an active community on NC is next to nil. And by novel, I don't mean a whole bunch of virtuals either.

For a long time, TC in my part of the UK was non-existant. The reasons, from discussion on our local forum and with local cachers I know, were almost always because any cacher who decided to look at TC saw practically no caches in the area, and those that were there were virtuals. While virtuals have their place, the majority of cachers prefer to actually find a cache - and the place for a virtual is generally where a cache cannot physically be placed (for whatever reason).  It has taken only a couple of local cachers to start placing some "real" caches in the area, and suddenly we have quite a strong and active local TC community. The same will be possible with NC - but not through a sudden influx of cross-listed caches and/or virtual caches. (This is my biggest concern, as unless this is addressed, I really cannot see much of a renewed future for NC.)
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