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    Posted: April 28 2008,8:15 am QUOTE

After logging onto the site, the "SIGN UP / MEMBER LOGIN" options are still being displayed on most pages of the site. These links make it appear that you are no longer logged onto the site.

I would suggest once logged onto the system, these links be removed or replaced with "LOG OFF"
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    Posted: April 28 2008,11:04 am QUOTE

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After logging onto the site, the "SIGN UP / MEMBER LOGIN" options are still being displayed on most pages of the site. These links make it appear that you are no longer logged onto the site.

I would suggest once logged onto the system, these links be removed or replaced with "LOG OFF"

That would be a good change, I think it should also display your user name on each page so that you know it recognizes
you.
I would also like to add that I seem to be having a cookie issue.  I keep clicking the "remember me" radio button but when I come in from the main page it doesn't know me.


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    Posted: April 28 2008,2:22 pm QUOTE

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After logging onto the site, the "SIGN UP / MEMBER LOGIN" options are still being displayed on most pages of the site. These links make it appear that you are no longer logged onto the site.

I would suggest once logged onto the system, these links be removed or replaced with "LOG OFF"

The new site layout/design will eliminate this when released.

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    Posted: April 28 2008,2:25 pm QUOTE

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I would also like to add that I seem to be having a cookie issue.  I keep clicking the "remember me" radio button but when I come in from the main page it doesn't know me.

Off-topic for this thread so please PM me with details about this issue.

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    Posted: June 06 2012,1:02 am QUOTE

Two things that I think need to be addressed here, and which have been brought up numerous times in different threads in different areas in these fora:
1) There needs to be just one login for all areas, rather than one for the main site, and one for the fora; and
2) That login needs to stay logged in!
Any other site that I use, that I choose not to log out from, I will still be logged in to when I next visit - but not NC. Furthermore, any other site that I use, on which I click the "remember me" radio button, remembers me - but not NC. I am forever having to log in unnecessarily. It's an annoyance, but simple things like this are what turn people off.

What new cachers need to see when they join an alternative listing site is something user-friendly and functional. While aesthetics are not the be-all and end-all, they do aid how user-friendly a site is. Presently, like TC, NC has an abysmal home page, with no clear links to anything a new cacher might want to do or see. Even TC, for all it's frustrating "hidden" features, is clearer than the muddle of NC.

(I realise that this would also be considered "off-topic" by PC Medic, as above, but I think it is not particularly off-topic. The who login scenario on NC is confusing (as per the thread title), and anything which can be done by the new owners is likely to be an improvement.)
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    Posted: June 06 2012,7:08 am QUOTE

Agree and I have the same issues.  Clearing cookies and such has never resolved the issue.  I've gotten accustomed to it, but Nick is right that it is one thing that will likely turn off new / returning users.

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    Posted: June 08 2012,9:47 pm QUOTE

Quote (nick_h_nz @ June 06 2012,3:02 am)
Two things that I think need to be addressed here, and which have been brought up numerous times in different threads in different areas in these fora:
1) There needs to be just one login for all areas, rather than one for the main site, and one for the fora; and
2) That login needs to stay logged in!
Any other site that I use, that I choose not to log out from, I will still be logged in to when I next visit - but not NC. Furthermore, any other site that I use, on which I click the "remember me" radio button, remembers me - but not NC. I am forever having to log in unnecessarily. It's an annoyance, but simple things like this are what turn people off.

What new cachers need to see when they join an alternative listing site is something user-friendly and functional. While aesthetics are not the be-all and end-all, they do aid how user-friendly a site is. Presently, like TC, NC has an abysmal home page, with no clear links to anything a new cacher might want to do or see. Even TC, for all it's frustrating "hidden" features, is clearer than the muddle of NC.

(I realise that this would also be considered "off-topic" by PC Medic, as above, but I think it is not particularly off-topic. The who login scenario on NC is confusing (as per the thread title), and anything which can be done by the new owners is likely to be an improvement.)

regarding ....

1) There is a single login for the site/forums. Once you login to your MyNavicache account from the main page, you are also logged into the forums. If this is not happening for you let me know and I will look into it for you. As a side note, it is possible to login to JUST the forums from the forums main pages. This was done by at the request of many users years back. The reasoning is that many of them bookmarked and visited the forums more often than the main page and wanted to the ability to login from there without having to go to the Home page.

2) The login does keep you logged in based on your cookie time setting (which you can actually set in your profile page). If it is not doing this then as stated in number 1 above let me know, there may be something corrupt in your profile.


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    Posted: June 09 2012,12:45 am QUOTE

I see my problem(s) now:

1) I have been logging in from the forum, rather than the main site (assuming that a universal login would work either from the main page or forum).

2) I was unaware of this, and have amended my login time in my profile. In that case, let me amend my site suggestion accordingly: Can either the login time have a default of a day or a week, rather than zero; or if it must remain zero, can the "remember me" radio button have a clearly marked note stating that the site is incapable of remembering a login for any period longer than that chosen in a user's account setting, the default for which is zero.
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    Posted: June 09 2012,11:10 am QUOTE

OK, this works - but only if you go to the forum the long way. Clicking on the forum link in the homepage text requires additional logging in. Why? I don't know, but I presume PC Medic may!
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    Posted: June 09 2012,12:02 pm QUOTE

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OK, this works - but only if you go to the forum the long way. Clicking on the forum link in the homepage text requires additional logging in. Why? I don't know, but I presume PC Medic may!

If you login FIRST from the main site, then you will be logged into the forums as well. This as you have noticed is a one way street though and logging into the forums does NOT log you in to your MyNavicache account.

The reason... when you sign-up and create a MyNavicache account it also creates a forum account for you using the same Username/password. This process was implemented several years after the site and forums had come on line and there were over a thousand users that had forum accounts but not (or any desire for) MyNavicache accounts. Many expressed a desire for forum access, but did not want a main site account so no effort was ever made to merge the databases or make the process work the opposite (Forum to Main Site).


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    Posted: June 09 2012,12:03 pm QUOTE

Quote (nick_h_nz @ June 09 2012,2:45 am)
I see my problem(s) now:

1) I have been logging in from the forum, rather than the main site (assuming that a universal login would work either from the main page or forum).

2) I was unaware of this, and have amended my login time in my profile. In that case, let me amend my site suggestion accordingly: Can either the login time have a default of a day or a week, rather than zero; or if it must remain zero, can the "remember me" radio button have a clearly marked note stating that the site is incapable of remembering a login for any period longer than that chosen in a user's account setting, the default for which is zero.

I will take a look at number 2 as the default should be 1 week not '0'

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    Posted: June 10 2012,12:32 am QUOTE

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If you login FIRST from the main site, then you will be logged into the forums as well. This as you have noticed is a one way street though and logging into the forums does NOT log you in to your MyNavicache account.

You misunderstood me - though that is my fault, for not being clear. Here is what I was meaning by long route and short route:

Short Route
Head to Navicache homepage, where the following text is displayed:
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"Geocaching, the high-tech GPS treasure hunt game [...SNIP...] Submit your own cache listing so that others may accept your challenge! Be sure to also visit our Forums and chat area where you can ask your own questions or just relax and discuss your geocaching adventures with other members.
and click on the Forums link.

Long Route
Head to Navicache homepage. Move mouse over Navicache button so menu pops up on side. Move mouse down to Forums button.

It may not seem a particularly longer route, but it is faster and easier to click on a link, than move a moouse around to make a menu appear, then move the mouse down that menu. In my experiments, I found that after changing the default login time, if I entered the forum via the long route I would indeed be logged in. However, if I entered the forum via the short route, I would be required to log in to post anything. Strangely, to me anyway, if I returned to the homepage and entered the forum via the long route, I would be logged in - meaning I was somehow simultaneously logged in and out of the forum, depending on how I reached it. Weird, or what?

In the end, it doesn't really matter, as coming to the forum today, I found it didn't matter which way I entered the forum - I was logged out. I am still logged in to the main site, but I had to log in again to the forum (and through the forum, since the only way I could use the universal login would be to log out of the main site, then log back in again).

So, while logging in on the main site is universal, it would appear that the login time which you can choose on your profile on the main site is not so universal. Is there a way of increasing login time on the forum?
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    Posted: June 10 2012,7:59 am QUOTE

Forum default login has been set to 14 days.

Try now and see if you still experience same issues.


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    Posted: June 10 2012,3:46 pm QUOTE

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2) The login does keep you logged in based on your cookie time setting (which you can actually set in your profile page). If it is not doing this then as stated in number 1 above let me know, there may be something corrupt in your profile.

Is this the "Log in period(seconds)" setting in My Navi
Cache > Edit Account?

Mine is st to 604800 (1 week).


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    Posted: June 11 2012,12:18 am QUOTE

For what it is worth, I was logged out of both this morning when I visited. It doesn't seem to matter which brower I use, though I admit I have not tried IE yet (I have tried Safari, Firefox and Chrome). In addition, I have been unable to login to the main site, so I am presently logged in only to the forum - not a great loss at present, but would be a bit of a bummer if I was wanting to hide or seek a cache.
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    Posted: June 11 2012,6:02 am QUOTE

I was just now having trouble logging into the main site.  I thought I'd try logging in there and then coming over to the forums.  Again, not a big issue right now, but wonder if there is something going on with the site.

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    Posted: June 11 2012,11:07 am QUOTE

I can still not login to the main site, so I guess there is something going on with the site. If not, then there is just a problem! :D
Still, I can log in to the forum still (obviously); and as I have not yet found a NC, nor yet am I ready to place one, it is not yet a big issue that I cannot currently log into the site.
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    Posted: June 11 2012,3:56 pm QUOTE

Quote (nick_h_nz @ June 11 2012,2:18 am)
For what it is worth, I was logged out of both this morning when I visited. It doesn't seem to matter which brower I use, though I admit I have not tried IE yet (I have tried Safari, Firefox and Chrome). In addition, I have been unable to login to the main site, so I am presently logged in only to the forum - not a great loss at present, but would be a bit of a bummer if I was wanting to hide or seek a cache.

Have you verified that your browser and firewalls are set to allow cookies from the domain (navicache.com).

I just checked your account here and am able to login to both main site and forums and navigate with no issues using Firefox, IE and Chrome.


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    Posted: June 11 2012,7:37 pm QUOTE

I've just gotten home and was able to log in from Chrome.

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    Posted: June 12 2012,1:18 am QUOTE

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Have you verified that your browser and firewalls are set to allow cookies from the domain (navicache.com).

I just checked your account here and am able to login to both main site and forums and navigate with no issues using Firefox, IE and Chrome.

Well, considering I have not changed the settings for any of my browsers, and that I have had no problem logging in previously, I don't think it can be the cookies.

But, just to be on the safe side, I checked. I have verified that my browser(s) and firewall are set to allow cookies from the doman (navicache.com).

I just checked my account here and am able to login to the forum and navigate with no issues using Firefox, Safari and Chrome (I don't use IE).

I still cannot login to the main site.  ???
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    Posted: June 12 2012,6:47 pm QUOTE

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I just checked my account here and am able to login to the forum and navigate with no issues using Firefox, Safari and Chrome (I don't use IE).

I still cannot login to the main site.  ???

What exactly happens when you try to login to the main site... Error Message?... Just does not log you in? ...

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    Posted: June 13 2012,12:38 am QUOTE

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NaviCache Member Login
Username:
    Don't have an account yet?
    Set one up.  It's free!
Password:
    Forget your password?
    We'll e-mail it to you!

LOGIN     CLEAR FORM

I attempt to log in, and get this:

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Please log in.
Sign Up / Member Login

And so on, forever and ever into eternity....
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    Posted: June 13 2012,7:05 pm QUOTE

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NaviCache Member Login
Username:
    Don't have an account yet?
    Set one up.  It's free!
Password:
    Forget your password?
    We'll e-mail it to you!

LOGIN     CLEAR FORM

I attempt to log in, and get this:

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Please log in.
Sign Up / Member Login

And so on, forever and ever into eternity....

When I first looked at your MyNavicache account you had your CookieTime set to an extremely high value that would have effectively kept you logged in for years (were it allowed).

I have seen this in the past with the same results now that I have changed the value clearing your browsers history AND any cookies for the domain navicache should correct the problem.


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    Posted: June 14 2012,12:36 am QUOTE

Perfect! Thanks! :)
May I suggest then that you amend the setting for the maximum. I know that I put in 99999999 (or as many 9s fitted in the box) to get the longest login possible. I figured it wouldn't stay at 99999999, but knew that I would still get the longest login possible. I can't remember what it changed to, but (as expected) it was amended to a smaller number. I'm presuming you may have some sort of control over that amendment, so perhaps it could be amended to the longest login which still allows you to login! I'm sure I am not the only person who likes to be more or less permanently logged in, so enters the biggest number possible.
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    Posted: June 14 2012,11:42 am QUOTE

OK, not so perfect. I know I can definitely login, but only because once again I had to. Universal login works, but does not appear to keep me logged in. Oh well....
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    Posted: June 14 2012,7:54 pm QUOTE

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I was just now having trouble logging into the main site.  I thought I'd try logging in there and then coming over to the forums.  Again, not a big issue right now, but wonder if there is something going on with the site.

I've still been having the same problem logging into the main site, since Monday.  Seems like I need to clear my cookies, before I'm able to log in.  Once I do, I am logged into the forums, as well.

The day I came home and logged into Chrome successfully was the day after I'd installed Chrome.


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    Posted: June 14 2012,9:11 pm QUOTE

Quote (nick_h_nz @ June 14 2012,1:42 pm)
OK, not so perfect. I know I can definitely login, but only because once again I had to. Universal login works, but does not appear to keep me logged in. Oh well....

????

Not staying logged in during the session as you move from page to page? After leaving the site? after closing your browser?
Main Site? Forums? Or Both?


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    Posted: June 15 2012,12:43 am QUOTE

Not staying logged in to both the main site and forum after closing the broswer. It's not a biggie, as one gets used to having to log in for each session (as Dave said earlier on in this thread).
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    Posted: June 15 2012,7:05 am QUOTE

My apologies.  

1) not staying logged in on the main site, after closing the browser (nothing new for me) and

2) Since Monday, I've not been able to log into the main site unless I clear my Navicache cookies first.


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    Posted: June 15 2012,9:45 am QUOTE

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Not staying logged in to both the main site and forum after closing the broswer. It's not a biggie, as one gets used to having to log in for each session (as Dave said earlier on in this thread).

Many browsers have an option in the settings to 'Clear cookies when closing' or similar. Make sure you do not have that selected.

Are you using AOL by any chance?


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