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Panther in the Den Offline
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    Posted: Aug. 28 2007,7:58 pm QUOTE

Hi,

I live in the Chicago area and 90% of the Navicaches are archived and crosslisted GC caches.

The owners have retired from the sport and they should be archived on this site as well.

Navicaching might become popular in this area if this was the case. I have (a long time ago) posted a notr indicating these caches on their description page.

Thanks in advance!

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    Posted: Aug. 29 2007,4:10 am QUOTE

Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

First please understand that a cache may be retired on one site and still be an active cache. I have often been contacted stating a cache should be retired as it has been 'archived' on the other site, only to contact the owner and find it is in fact still active.

In this particular case you say that you know the owners have left the sport, that being the case the way to notify us (Admin) would be to use the 'Contact Us' form. We can not read every log entry and would probably never see the entries you made indicating the cache is gone.

After we receive notification we have a process in place to retire the cache if needed.


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Panther in the Den Offline
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    Posted: Aug. 29 2007,10:12 pm QUOTE

Thanks!

I will send the note along with a list of the caches.
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    Posted: Nov. 03 2009,1:54 pm QUOTE

I'd like to share the process I use when trying to clean up dead caches in my area, especially those that were cross listed, but whose NC listings have since been forgotten / abandoned by the cache owner.  Instead of starting a new thread, this seemed to be the best one to continue.

A few other threads related to this are: Dual Listings, Question on Crosslisting, How do you insure (sic) missing caches are removed? , and How do you retire a cache that isn't yours.  You can also search for "archive" to find others.

First, I go to the Navicache Home Page and search for my zip code.

Then, I'll look at each cache down the line for the first 2 pages or so.  Any more an it gets to be a little much, and pretty far away from home for me.

Virtuals - I'll pretty much leave it alone since it a bit less likely to have been muggled, washed away in the rain, or otherwise displaced.  The subjects of virtuals can become unavailable, though, but I'm more willing to just go search for it and take the chances.

Events - If it is a long past event, I'd send a note to the owner asking for it be archived.  Let them know you are just a fellow Navicacher and that you are trying to clean up inactive caches in your area to improve the caching experience for all.  If you can't contact the owner or get no response, you should use the Contact Us link at the botton of the Home Page.  Be sure supply the event name, waypoint, and a link just to be safe.

Physical Caches - If the cache has not been found in a while, I'll see if I can find the cache crosslisted on Groundspeak.  TerraCaching doesn't allow crosslisting, so it shouldn't be listed there.  For me, those are really the only two active listing sites, but depending on where you live, you might have others.  I'll usually search by user name, but you may also want to search by coordinates or name.

If I don't find a corresponding cache on another site, I'll go ahead and contact the owner to see if they can confirm that the cache is still active.  If I don't get a response or I can't contact the owner, I'll again use the Contact Us link at the botton of the Home Page.

If I can find the cache listed elsewhere, I'll review the logs and cache description to see if it appears to still be active.  If it has been archived, I'll usually be able to tell if it went missing if it sounds like the cache may have only been retired on the other site.  Again, I'll attempt to contact the owner, if the cache has been archived to either ask that they archive it on NC or to see if it still active on this site.  Again, if I can't reach the owner, I'll use the Contact Us link to request the cache be archived.

All Caches - In any of the cases above, I'll generally post a note on the cache page for other prospective searchers (and my own record) as to what I have found, even if it is that a long unlogged cache is still active and available.

I live in Central Maryland, so my first couple of pages of Nearest Navicaches will take me into Northern Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware.  

I know PC Medic can't do this all alone, but I think if we could get one person per state (for the US) to do this, it would go a long way toward cleaning up these dead caches.  This would make the site much more inviting to new users who would have one less thing to worry about.

What do folks think?


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tripman1 Offline
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    Posted: Aug. 10 2011,10:35 am QUOTE

Thanks for posting this process on cleaning up dead caches.  I am happy to help in the West.  I live in Colorado and I also visit Utah and Texas quite often.  I found a number here in CO that should be retired.  I have sent emails to the owners through Navicache and GC.com, but no response as yet (about a month now).

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    Posted: Aug. 11 2011,6:31 am QUOTE

Thank you.  I wish more people would do this in their areas.  If you send Retirement (Archiving) requests to PCMedic, he'll do his own investigation first, so if it is in need of archiving, it still might take up to a couple weeks.

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    Posted: Aug. 14 2011,4:44 pm QUOTE

Quote (DudleyGrunt @ Aug. 11 2011,8:31 am)
Thank you.  I wish more people would do this in their areas.  If you send Retirement (Archiving) requests to PCMedic, he'll do his own investigation first, so if it is in need of archiving, it still might take up to a couple weeks.

Time permitting... requests are completed within 72 hours

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    Posted: Aug. 14 2011,7:10 pm QUOTE

And that is usually the case.  I just figure that I'd give you a couple weeks before I consider following up.

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    Posted: Aug. 15 2011,11:53 am QUOTE

I searched for a few dead caches this past weekend and they were definitely gone.  Thanks PC Medic, a very quick response and follow up.  This process was easy and worked great!

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    Posted: Dec. 15 2012,8:55 pm QUOTE

Dead caches are a big issue in my area.  Many cross-listed caches have disappeared, but the owners only archived them on geocaching.com, not on Navicache.  In some cases, the caches were archived by geocaching.com admins (I used to be one) because they were muggled, but never archived on Navicache.

Dead caches are one of the main reasons I quit using Navicache much.

I'm looking forward to seeing the site's rebirth!


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    Posted: Dec. 16 2012,6:33 am QUOTE

Whenever people cross list their caches, they tend to forget that they have done so and never get around to archiving their listing here when they do on geocaching.com ... I know, I've been guilty of it myself a number of times.

As long as sites encourage cross listings, this will be a problem.    This is one of the main problems with opencaching.com

Hopefully this site, if it ever does get reborn which looks somewhat doubtful, won't do this.
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    Posted: Dec. 20 2012,6:38 pm QUOTE

Quote (ChileHead @ Dec. 16 2012,8:33 am)
Whenever people cross list their caches, they tend to forget that they have done so and never get around to archiving their listing here when they do on geocaching.com ... I know, I've been guilty of it myself a number of times.

As long as sites encourage cross listings, this will be a problem.    This is one of the main problems with opencaching.com

Hopefully this site, if it ever does get reborn which looks somewhat doubtful, won't do this.

Yeah, it's brutal man. Even when I joined here in very early 2004, about 6 months after I did on Geocaching.com, there were 5 or so 2002 placed caches in my area that were long gone on Geocaching.com, and still listed here. It's always been a problem, and it's always going to be a problem.

Myself and Sabrefan7 had taken efforts to clean up the listing around Buffalo, NY a few years ago, but I see they're a mess once again on Buxley's maps. We had a guy who Geocided for a 2nd time. He actually like Geocided in 2005, came back in like 2008, and Geocided again in 2012. How can you even do that?  :laugh:

Then again, in this particular case, they probably are actually still sitting in the woods, and are still viable caches here.  ???

EDIT: Although I've killed 95% of my listings here, I at one time had about 35 cross-listed both here and on GPSgames.org. I think the worst I ever caught myself "forgetting" on either of those sites was about 6 months. That's me personally though, almost no one ever thinks to archive them in other places. I'll give Navicache an Epic Fail on that one, and Garmin a Mega Epic Fail for trying the same failed thing 9 years later.


Edited by whiteurkel on Dec. 20 2012,6:46 pm

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