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mrsmom Offline
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    Posted: Oct. 01 2002,10:18 am QUOTE

In the last few months I have had a problem with people not replacing the cache as they found it, instead leaving it out in the open or changing the arrangement of the area where the cache was originall hidden. Is this a common problem? I always thought it was awell known rule to leave it exactly as it was found. Recently we changed the description to say "leave this cache exactly where you found it" but another has been left in the open again. Any suggestions or comments? This has me very frustrated! ???
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    Posted: Oct. 01 2002,12:36 pm QUOTE

Quote (mrsmom @ Oct. 01 2002,06:18 am)
In the last few months I have had a problem with people not replacing the cache as they found it, instead leaving it out in the open

What if you find it in the open?

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Posted: Oct. 01 2002,1:23 pm QUOTE

If I found it in the open, common sense would tell me to stash it, providing it was possible to to so & maintain the same co-ordinates. If not, I'd e-mail the owner. I'd also check out the hint for the cache. A lot of times, the owner will give a fairly accurate description of the caches location. ie: under a log, 20 ft. off the trail, etc. You could then put it where it belongs. I sure wouldn't leave it out in plain view. Unless in the cache description, the owner states that it's out in the open. Then he/she is just asking for it to get plundered. :0

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    Posted: Oct. 01 2002,2:03 pm QUOTE

When we placed the caches we took the care to place them in well covered spots. When I went to check on the cache after a few weeks it was standing out in the open. I could see it from the trail below and was shocked it was not plundered. Another cache I checked twice within a few weeks wasn't in the same spot the first time, the second time was not covered and could have been spotted by a passer-by. What I'm trying to find out is this common when checking on your caches?
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    Posted: Oct. 01 2002,2:42 pm QUOTE

Quote (mrsmom @ Oct. 01 2002,10:03 am)
What I'm trying to find out is this common when checking on your caches?

Yes. I have found caches moved in such a way that I suspect animals were responsible. I have also found my own cache, which was very well concealed when hidden in spring, very visible ("out in the open") when checked on in winter, even though it was in the very same spot.

In short, each cache's circumstances differ, and a blanket rule like "replace a cache EXACTLY as you found it" isn't always the best policy. I'd advise people to use common sense and do what they think is best under the circumstances. Then, email the cache owner if they find themselves making any significant changes to the way they found the cache.

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    Posted: Oct. 01 2002,3:40 pm QUOTE

Quote (Scout @ Oct. 01 2002,4:42 pm)
each cache's circumstances differ, and a blanket rule like "replace a cache EXACTLY as you found it" isn't always the best policy.

Maybe I'm not making myself clear enough. I'm not talking about exactly to the tee just pretty much as you found it. It's not like I found a stone or stick out of place. I'm just saying we hid a cache, someone found it, and it appeared as if after they logged and traded they never took the time to return it to it's spot, they just left it there (several feet from it's concealed spot which was very accessable and would have only takene a minute or two), out in the open for all to see- Geo-cachers or any one else. Most cachers do there best to try and replace it as best they can. But it bothers me that there are a few out there who won't take the time to replace it in it's hiding spot. This has happened three times, once at one location and twice at another.
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    Posted: Oct. 01 2002,9:39 pm QUOTE

Quote (mrsmom @ Oct. 01 2002,11:40 am)
Most cachers do there best to try and replace it as best they can. But it bothers me that there are a few out there who won't take the time to replace it in it's hiding spot.

I'm with you. I wish everyone who found caches out in the open would hide them, then email the cache owner to say what they've done. If the cache owner intended the cache to be out in the open, he's free to restore it. (This is different from the title of this thread, so excuse my previous posts, which addressed that topic instead.)

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    Posted: Oct. 01 2002,9:49 pm QUOTE

I think quite a bit of this problem is caused my people who have or are going caching for the first time, perhaps with the family.

I have seen cache groups grab a container in the excitement of finding it, and bring it out on a path or clearway to see the contents as well as sign the log book, then once done can't seem to remember exactly where they got it.  :)

I don't see any real harm in this if it were an accident, but I do 100% agre that a cache should be placed as found if it does not belong to you.

Maybe a caching 101 class?   :p

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    Posted: Oct. 02 2002,1:17 am QUOTE

Caching 101

Speaking of this .......Have you seen that Garmin now has a bit on geocaching on their website?  they are asking for geocaching stories and pictures.......

A nice 101 section there would be just the trick.....A newby buys a device and can read about caching as they scan the features........

Hmmmmm and it would be nice to have navicache mentioned at the same time  :xmas

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    Posted: Dec. 19 2002,4:50 pm QUOTE

I try to leave a geocache as I found it; if not better hidden. I ALWAYS place it the exact same spot where I found it. I've heard of some folks moving a found cache a few feet away. I can see some folks being lazy and uncaring and leaving the cache exposed; unfortunately that is human nature and it is part of the geocaching xperience. I've bagged 16 caches and I have a long way to go. I've not yet found an exposed cache; and most of my finds have been very challenging. I would ask that all of us participating in this new international pastime be considerate of all geocaches and treat them as the little treasures they are, and will come to be for others to find and share.
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    Posted: Jan. 02 2005,4:55 am QUOTE

i had this same question on one of the other sites. i was the last finder, and someone stated that when found, the cache was out in the open. i know i didn't leave it that way, but since i'm really new to this (christmas) i don't want to get painted as someone leaving stuff all over the place. i do understand animals, etc. can do this, but i'm thinking left where found (if some attempt at concealment had been made) is the way i'm leaving it.
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Posted: Jan. 02 2005,11:07 am QUOTE

Wow justybug, I am very surprised that this thread is over 3 years old. ??? †Anyway, some cachers have dealt with the same situation and understand what you are going through. †I use to email the cache owners and explain it wasn't me type situation and get a little stressed out over it. †Through the last couple of years though, †I have learned not to worry about it and just have fun. † All you can do is manteince your own caches and put the ones you find back as found. †If you know in your heart that you are a great cacher, in time, your own geocaching community will reckognize you and eventually have your back. †:grinnin

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    Posted: Jan. 02 2005,1:09 pm QUOTE

I would say unless its contents are spilled about and it is obvious that it is not where it should be, then leave it as found. Somethimes they are not meant to be concealed with any kind of cover. I personally have a cache that from the trail is not visible as it sits atop a 15' mound to the side of the trail just behind a log, but no cover of any kind over the cache. It is done this way as it is a family cache meant to be easy for the little ones to spot.

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    Posted: Jan. 03 2005,11:27 am QUOTE

You should always check the difficulty rating, and read the cache page description.
Most owners have now stated in the description on how to re-hide it, and if it should be exposed in any way! Itís a growing trend !

Here is what I use as to re-hiding the cache.

If itís a 1-1.5, --- it should be 50% exposed.
If itís 1.5 -2.5 --- it should be slightly exposed.
If itís 2.5 Ė and up --- it should be covered completely.

If in doubt, after logging your find, you could always email the owner explaining your concerns about the way it was found.
Then itís up to the owner to re-hide it properly.

My big concern is not the camo covering as much as the movement of the re-hide.
Iíve gone and done maintenance on my caches and have been back to many caches, and found that they have been moved to another location. Most likely attributed to someone thinking itís better hiding spot.

Please, please, please Ė DO NOT RELOCATE the CACHE !

Hope this helps! SF1


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