Group: Super Administrators
Joined: Dec. 2001
||Posted: Mar. 28 2002,4:32 pm
|Please excuse me if I'm missing something here. It seems like the mud slinging from emplacements on the moral highground is taking place right here. I've never been very active in the sport, but after reading this and other threads, I immediately went to 'the other site' and plunked my money down.|
Pay to play? Looks to me like it's still free unless the cache placer wants it otherwise.
Censorship? I agree this is a major mistake, but the messages in this thread would lead me to believe that at least some messages DO show up after being 'reviewed'.
I'm not surprised that Jeremy wants some kind of reward for the time and effort he has invested. I don't know the people running this site and I applaud the great work they've done, but volunteers have a bad habit of burning out. Are you certain that you will have the same level of enthusiasm two years down the road? Will your actions in 2004 be 100% in sync with the statements you've made today?
I just hate to see wedges driven between competing groups. The sport is all that will suffer.
Just my $0.02 worth. I'll now disappear...
Hello Muddy Shoes, and let me first (as one of the people running this site) say Welcome to Navicache, and I hope you don't just speak and run. Everyone and every opinion is welcome here.
I also am not surprised that Jeremy wants some kind of reward for his efforts as I (and the rest on the team as far as I know) are the same way. I guess the difference however, is that our (or at least my) rewards are in everytime a new member signs up, or every time someone sends an email or posts a message in the forum telling us how they like a new feature, and what a great job we are doing. Do I think we will have the "same level of enthusiasm two years down the road?", and "Will our actions in 2004 be 100% in sync with the statements we've made today?", I like to think so.
You see I believe that the only volunteers that burn out, are those that refuse to work with, and accept help from other volunteers. So to answer your question...if the sport, and all its participants continue to show the current level of entusiasm, then yes, I think we will to. Because after all, we started this site, and continue to maintain this site out of our enjoyment of the sport, and not the money.
Now, As for the censorship issue (which is what this thread was all about), I whole heartedly disagree with censorship of a members opinions in the forums. Now obviously false statements, personal attacks, and abusive or vulgar language (also known as Mud Slinging), or discussions of illegal activities, can not be tolerated, but that is not what folks are doing here now is it. Instead they are discussing how another site has chosen to censor (remove or refuse) their posts based on simple mention of something they do not agree with, and in many cases seemingly, simply because of who they associate with.
I mean look at my example earlier in this thread, hardly cause for a post not to make it past the censors. But hey, that's just my opinion, and as I said, opinions are welcome here.
By the way, did I mention that I can not even place a post that contains my signature line there? Nope, get the cute little posting police pop-up and post never appears.
Now you tell me who is driving the wedges between the groups!
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