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    Posted: Aug. 01 2001,1:55 am QUOTE

I'm jumping into this topic with practially no knowledge of the sport.  Here's my question:

From my understanding that nature of the sport relies on somewhat of trust system.  What happens if some malicious malcontent decideds to place a cache that is somehow dangerous to other people's health?  For example planting a bomb, ambusing people with the intent to rob or even kill.

How can people participate in such a sport that doesn't seem to be governed with any concept of safety involved?

Please feel free to correct me or point out anything obvious that would negate my concerns.

I just wanted to bring this to light and perhaps get other people thinking about the pitfalls of such a sport.

On the other hand, it sounds like a lot of fun.

Regards,

-Peterb

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    Posted: Aug. 01 2001,5:30 am QUOTE

I'm not sure where but I think we touched on this before, but I am glad to hear your concerns and would like to go over them.
You don't by any means need to use Geocaching as a way to harm someone, there are so many other ways to do this if it is a persons wish. Lets think about this for a few seconds, how many times have you opened a package from UPS or fedex? how many times have you  just opened your mailbox to see whats inside? this is really no different. If someone wishes to harm another they dont need Geocaching as a means, they will do it no matter what it takes, I feel its just as safe opening a cache container as it is opening that package that came in the mail. I also dont think someone is going to just sit next to a cache container waiting and hoping that a cacher is just going to happen by that day. Think about how often hikers, campers and joggers go into the woods, this would be just as easy a way to harm a person if not more so being that it is a more common activitity. I agree we all live in a world that has changed much over the years and that we need to be cautious of the things we do. But I am also certain that if you took a few moments and put some thought to it, you would come up with things you do on a daily basis that could be considered more dangerous than Geocaching. i am not saying however that Geocaching is the complete safe sport that it sounds like, and of course someone could do what you have mentioned, but I feel it to be highly unlikely due to the fact that there are easier ways for a person to  do this than use our sport as the means.
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    Posted: Aug. 01 2001,6:50 am QUOTE

I would have to agree with Quinn on this one.
While there is no argument that we unfortunately live in a world that has its share of nut cases, I don't see cause for alarm where Navicaching (Geocaching) is concerned.  
Am I saying that it is 100% safe?, No.  But, I would be more concerned about snake bites, poison ivy (been there, done that) or other location related hazards than the presence of an individual or the cache they have left behind.

All in all, I do not see Navicaching any more dangerous than any other hike in the woods or walk in the park.
Same rules apply, go with a friend or family when you can, and if you can't, let some one know where you have gone and when you can be expected to return.
While you can't remove ALL the risks, a little common sense can certainly minimize them.

 


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    Posted: Aug. 02 2001,1:43 pm QUOTE

"A Typical Warning and Disclaimer: You are under no obligation to hunt my cache. You do so at your own risk. Like any outdoor sport, it carries the risk of unforeseen hazards. Use your best judgment with the environment and conditions. As conditions and cache locations may vary, it is the responsibility of the searcher to be familiar with the conditions in the area to be searched, to adequately prepare for those conditions, and to conduct oneself safely and responsibly and remain within his or her personal abilities and limitations. Children should be well supervised. When and if you find a cache, you are under no obligation to touch it, reach it, climb to it, dig for it, pick it up, or even open it. Open it at your own risk. If food or drink is present, do not consume it, throw it out. Individual Geostash and GPS cache sponsors assume no liability for events, which may occur, related directly or indirectly to your searching for a stash." (from Sewardvanlee)
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    Posted: Sep. 18 2001,5:00 pm QUOTE

Feeling this was subject was close, and not wanting to create a new topic I decided to post this here.

As we all know one of the more (if not most) popular containers for a cache is military surplus ammo cans. Now I have personally observed, as I am sure many of you have, where these containers are used without much effort put into covering the old military labeling.
Considering recent events in N.Y., Washington, and Pennsylvania, It may be a good idea for those who use these containers to cover the military markings AND clearly mark the outside with a NaviCache or Geocache label.

This will not only help prevent accidental finders from notifying authorities about military type items seen laying in their local park, but also probably stop people from fleeing as they see you exit your vehicle and go off into the park carrying this type container.

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    Posted: Mar. 17 2002,7:40 am QUOTE

Saw mention of this while elsewhere and thought it worth mentioning here in our forums.

It appears that some unfortunate folks have arrived for a happy day of Geocaching, only to return and find that while they were gone, their cars had been broken into :(   In two of the cases the car stereos were stolen, and in a third the stereo, a wallet from under the seat (containing credit cards) and some other items. I guess when you consider the number of caches worldwide, and the number of folks that have searched for them, three incidents isn't a bad number. But, it is none the less three too many in my book. However, we unfortunately live in a world that contains individuals who originate from the lower end of the gene pool :^^ , and things like this are bound to happen from time to time.

My point is, you need to be careful when you are out there.  If there is a parking area within the park that a cache is in, Use it, rather than park on some deserted country road to save a mile of hiking. If you are just going out to hit some local caches in your area, don't carry a wallet full of credit cards! And if you do, don't leave it behind in the car :nono  
And if you ever....ever suddenly hear dueling banjos, Please get back to the canoe immediately :grinnin

Seriously, please excercise some caution, and common sense while on an outing. Not all dangerous snakes live in the woods.

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