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    Posted: Mar. 08 2002,2:34 pm QUOTE

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You can pretty much speak your minds here with no worry of censorship as long as the language stays cool and those sock puppets don't go XXX. :grinnin

QUINN,
    Go and boil your bottom, son of a silly person.  I blow my nose at you, so-called other Site Owner, you and all your silly navicachers.  Thppppt!
    I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper!  I fart in your general direction!  Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of eldeberries.
    How you navicachers say,  I one more time-a unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! So, you think you could out-cache me with your silly knees-bent caching about in dancing behavior! I wave my private parts at your aunties, ... you cheesy lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters.
    Navicache bedwetting types. I burst my pimples at you and call your navicache site a silly thing. You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms!.
     Depart the caching scene at this time and stop making the site any more or I'll fire arrows at the tops of your heads and make castanets out of your Garmin V already! Ha ha!
    And now remain gone illegitimate faced buggerfolk! And, if you think you got nasty taunting this time, you ain't heard nothing yet! Daffy Navicacheeers! Thpppt!

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    Posted: Mar. 08 2002,4:17 pm QUOTE

Don't hold back Mike  :rotflmao

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Posted: Mar. 08 2002,6:58 pm QUOTE

Ok...so when I'm really bummed....

I slip

Monty Python and the HOly Grail

into the VCR

:love and I saw a dead rabbit...attack rodent...thing with big teeth...

On the way home after successful solo caching   :grinnin

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Posted: Mar. 09 2002,12:54 am QUOTE

It smells to me like geocaching.com is trying to attempt some sort of get-rich-quick scheme.  I have several large websites...servers, bandwidth, and "maintenance" (usually automated) just don't cost as much as they'd have you think.  At $30.00 a pop with thousands of users, even if only 1/10 sign up he's still coming out WAY ahead.

That said, I've decided to start my own geocaching website.  Out of respect for navicache (I like this site!), I won't list it here but you'll be able to find it very easily.  It will be geared to cachers in the Southern region of the US.

I've had a cache stolen before and while it was annoying and frustrating, I don't feel that Member's Only Caches are the answer.  The non-"deluxe" caches are going to become crap and I won't pay $30.00 for something that should be free.

Geocaching.com claims that GPS manufacturers don't want to advertise on their website.  I wonder why they never approached major GPS RESELLERS for advertising.  They would surely advertise there.  Truth be known, it's just easier to fleece your users with a $30.00/yr fee than to ask resellers to advertise.  There are a lot more gullable and/or rich geocachers out there than GPS retailers.

My participation at geocaching.com is over for now.  Member's Only Caches are a crock and so are ill-thoughtout get-rich-quick schemes.

JM-99

p.s.  It's ironic that I listed a new micro-cache there today before I read up on all the hogwash they're trying to pull.  I think I may have to go archive it there and list it over here.
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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,1:43 am QUOTE

You pretty much hit it on the head. There are GPSR retailers lined up for miles just wishing to be able to get a link on a Geocaching website, thus referrer fee's make a good source for server time buys. You buy the cache, you place the cache and you submit the cache...yet where does the money go?
I myself did not have any interest in having a website for taking in cache submissions, it was only at the point when I and about 30 other cachers knew what was going to happen that i was asked to create a site to do this.
Sometimes I think that two cache sites is one too many because it can get confusing to the people submitting the caches as to where they submitted them and if or not they have been archived. But cache sites are needed to make certain that the sport remains a sport and not a get-rich-quick means of turning it into a commercial flame.
You can post the site name here by the way, I am fine with that, not to mention I wish you luck!

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Posted: Mar. 09 2002,3:06 am QUOTE

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I really liked the  “grass roots”, “home spun” and community feeling that I associate with the game.
On the other hand, as an old hippie from the 60’s, I definitely prefer the egalitarian approach to geocaching.
www.creekbed.com/geocache

Hey Rob,
Welcome to Navicache.com the home of many former and current hippies (I had a huge fro at one point and time and have scene my fair number of phish shows and grass roots festivals, though I have to admit I wasn't even alive til the late 70's).
That being said you may have noticed me on the other forums posting against the member caches for the exact same reasons you've mentioned.  
I have been coming here for awhile and even before the recent craziness I can say that this site as always had a much more friendly, sitting around the fire, grass roots type of feel.
Hope you enjoy yourself
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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,3:20 am QUOTE

Just to Respond to Quinn and Jumpmaster,

I've been a pretty vocal opponent for this type of thing on both sites.  That being said I've made my point and have pretty much decided to let go.  I still plan on using the geocache site, although when I first came here I put it equal to navicache, now it has fallen far below it (jumpmaster I'd like to check out your site as well) and I don't know how much longer I will continue to use it.  The man thing keeping me is the fact that 1) yes they do have more caches (although these forums seem to be getting a nice increase lately) 2)  the community there is something I would miss as well, though I'm not nearly as big a part of it there as here and poeple aren't nearly as laid back.
Also like MCB posted on the other site, there's not much that can be done about it, so I'll just drop back wait and watch and see what happens.  Unfortunately that does scare me, and without sounding like those "slippery slope people" I'll say this.  It's the "foot in the door phenomenom" any social psychologitst, marketing guy, used car salesmen etc. could tell you about it.  It's a proven scientific fact, basically if you want to get a higher percentage of people to do something you start with little things then move bigger.  Ie start selling shirts and stufff (no problem at all) that goes over great then you start charging for travel bugs (wasn't concerned really yet just a bit annoyed but understandagle) that went over really well.  Those two are fine, but here is where the stage really kicks in with these member caches (now your getting people to agree to pay to cache and this is when I start getting worried) once the community accepts this it's a lot easier to get them to accept a complete pay to cache system.  I'm not saying it's going to happen BUT if you were going to plan on doing something like that the way he's went about it would be textbook.
That being said Quinn, I've always wondered what the whole story was.  Would you be willing to post it here so everyone knew, or if you want to keep it more private email me, or if it's none of anyone's business that's fine as well.  I think it would make people myself included understand things a little better.  

Ohh and your father still smells of elderberries.

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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,10:01 am QUOTE

Just a couple of more thoughts about the pay to cache changes.

1 – I do a few “easy to build” FrontPage websites. Certainly they’re nothing on the scale of Navicache or geocaching.com. Mostly “cut & paste” template type stuff as a hobby.  Still, I’m only paying Softcomca $10 a month to host the things. Yes, I know the complexities and expenses of running a “real” site are much more but I didn’t realize they were that much more.  I did pay a little more for my GPS through Amazon because I thought it would help the other site and I have purchased some travel bugs and other accessories.  I assumed the profits from those sales covered Jeremy’s expenses. Naïve on my part?

2- The day the change took place I had already planned searching for a cache.  The wind was really taken out of my sails after I heard. I’ll paste my cache comments and one of the responses below.  
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My log

“I was feeling a little grumpy about this whole geocaching business because I had just learned that geocaching.com is going to start charging money for “special caches”.
With their new policy, I was wondering if this neat cache would have been available to the average geocacher if that policy had been in place before. Oh well, I guess I’ve been reading too many Enron articles. Starting to get cranky in my old age.”

A response to me

“I was looking at the photo page and I saw your posting for Adobe Falls. I agree with you about having misgivings about geocaching now that there are going to be so-called "mocaches". We have 123 finds, but I'm thinking of dropping out of the whole hobby. I probably won't though. Just feeling disgruntled.”

And my follow up to them

“Yeah, actually I was surprised at how strongly I reacted to the change. I’ve only got 14 finds and 7 hides but I did those over a year and I really enjoyed the time.  I really liked the idea that it was a grass roots movement with people playing all over the world. Something about the fact that all those people were enjoying themselves without paying dues or making one individual rich in the process intrigued me.  Like you, I expect I’ll keep it up though; I’ve begun to think that perhaps I was taking the whole thing a little too seriously.  Time for me to step back and give it a break.

Thanks for contacting me about this. The messages on the forum were starting to get me down. I was beginning to feel like I was at a pep rally for the wrong team.”
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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,8:43 pm QUOTE

Thanks for the kind words from Quinn, Mike, and the others.  Quinn, it's kind of you to let me post the site name here...I will definitely let y'all know what it is when it's been developed.  It will be as functional as geocaching.com except free.  :)

By the way, you may find it interesting to know that geocaching.com has attempted to register a service mark and a trademark (the word "geocaching") with the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO).  This demonstrates their true intent and commercial tendencies.  If they are approved, that means no one else can technically use the word "geocaching" to describe geocaching anymore on websites, etc.  It's as inane as someone trying to get a trademark on the word "skydiving".

Here is the link, if you're interested...what it equates to is they are attempting to make geocaching "their" sport by trademarking it:
(Notice the request was made by "Grounded, Inc. Corporation" [redundant]...this is the same as geocaching.com and if you look for "grounded inc" in google (no quotes),  you can verify this...)
http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=hbo7ab.2.1

Well, it appears the above link only wants to work for a very short time...try http://www.uspto.com and click on the "trademarks" button.  Then after it loads the next page, click on "search" under "Search pending & registered trademarks".  Then, click on "New User Form Search (Basic)" and enter "geocaching" in the search box.  That will bring you right to it.

Note also that while the original filing date was January 26,  2001, the *supplemental register date* (i.e. last action by applicant) is February 20,  2002.  What a coincidence.  I bet that is the date when someone got the brainstorm to start charging to use "advanced services" at geocaching.com.

I just thought folks may want to know about that.  I know I found it enlightening.  Mostly, it just pisses me off.

Thanks again for the well-wishes and support...

Kind regards,

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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,8:48 pm QUOTE

:angry: You know just when I had settled down again this pops up.  I remember a couple months back the contraversy came up at the geocaching site, Jeremy insisted that he was attempting to get a patent only to keep commercial users (ie garmin magellan) etc from getting it first.  He then went on to say now that it was (and I'm paraphrasing here) widely used he wouldn't attempt to get the trademark any longer.

Ahh welll.....

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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,9:06 pm QUOTE

Correct, Mike...what that means is good ol' Jeremy is simply lying to users at geocaching.com now.  Last action date by applicant was February 20, 2002.  It's really a shame what it's coming to.  It's highly doubtful his application will be approved because it is indeed so widely used now.  Can you imagine someone trying to trademark the word "internet" or "cellphone",  for instance?  I don't think it's going to be approved.

Thank goodness for sites like this and others that are going to spring up now.  I reckon this all may begin to backfire on geocaching.com...I think I can almost hear users leaving his site as I type.....

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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,9:12 pm QUOTE

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 It's highly doubtful his application will be approved because it is indeed so widely used now.  Can you imagine someone trying to trademark the word "internet" or "cellphone",  for instance?  I don't think it's going to be approved.

Ever here the story about the IOC and the word "Olympic".
The moral of the story, Never say never !

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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,9:19 pm QUOTE

Yeah jumpmaster I noted that, that's what set me off, when you first posted I figured yeah big deal old news, but then I checked the link and sure enough....

As far as that goes to try to prevent that from happening is there anything we can do?

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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,9:48 pm QUOTE

As a matter of fact, there is something we can do...(I'm working on it now)...try and register (and develop) as many websites that pertain to geocaching as you can and use the word "geocaching" in the domain name.  The more widespread the use is, the less likely the USPTO will be to move it from the Supplimental Register to the Primary Register (which would give him a monopoly on use of "geocaching" in domain names, etc..)...as it stands, it looks like they've granted him registration for his logo alone for now.

The trick is, the USPTO will review the case in five years from the Primary petition (in this case, January 2001) to see how widespread the use is to determine whether or not to give him exclusive use of the word in the form of a trademark and service mark.  I'm not an attorney, but I'm 3 months from having my Masters degree.  This is how I've interpreted the information from the USPTO's website...your mileage may vary.  :)

I'm going to grab two or three domain names to use...all of them will point to the same website.  Use the word "geocaching" freely in the website you develop.  Use it when talking to friends about geocaching (I'm sure we all do this anyway)...the more out in the mainstream we can get the word, the better.

Some ideas for names might be:
freegeocaching.com
letsgogeocaching.com
usgeocaching.com
etc...

I haven't checked the availability for those...just some ideas off the top of my head...I register my domains with joker.com because it's only 12 Euros a year (about $10.50 USD as of a couple of days ago...:)  )  You can go to their site to check availability on those also.

Have fun with that...if you don't want to put up a site, just try and talk to others about it to get the word out so when the time comes, geocaching.com can't say they are the sole source for geocaching services.

Best regards...

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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,9:52 pm QUOTE

I am not worried about it. When you see that a nw contact date was made that is only to make a chnage or correction.
I have been in touch with the attorney that is in charge of this case and have explained to her the back ground of Geocaching and where it first started.
I will attach her e-mail to this post...

Dear Mr. Stone

Apologies for taking so long in getting back to you about the mark
Geocaching.
The applicant is applying for the mark for
IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Providing on-line information for a GPS
based treasure hunting game. FIRST USE: 20000801. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE:
20000801
IC 025. US 022 039. G & S: Clothing, namely shirts, hats, vests, jackets,
shoes and pants. FIRST USE: 20000801. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20010126
If you could fwd. the links you mentioned in your email, that would be
wonderful. I will look further into the descriptiveness of this mark, as it
seems that it is a word commonly used to describe a certain activity.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Regards,

Gretta Yao
Attorney
United States Patent and Trademark Office
Law Office 110
703.308.9110 x 278  fx 703.746.8110
gretta.yao@uspto.gov

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    Posted: Mar. 09 2002,11:59 pm QUOTE

[quote]Correct, Mike...what that means is good ol' Jeremy is simply lying to users at geocaching.com now.  Last action date by applicant was February 20, 2002.  It's really a shame what it's coming to.  It's highly doubtful his application will be approved because it is indeed so widely used now.  Can you imagine someone trying to trademark the word "internet" or "cellphone",  for instance?  I don't think it's going to be approved.[quote]


Importantly, the Patent Office may not even be aware of the so-called widespread use of the term but hopefully they are. You're correct in your assumption in that case as I told Quinn some time back.. it would be akin to trademarking the word "baseball".. ain't gonna happen! Of course, if Quinn were smart (I've never accused him of that), he'd start tossing the term Navicache around more frequently as well

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    Posted: Mar. 10 2002,3:39 pm QUOTE

I think this would make a great bumpersticker...



(or pin, patch, cache box sticker)....

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Posted: Mar. 10 2002,3:46 pm QUOTE

By the way, I just wanted to say I have no problems with anyone making money off the sport if done responsibly (everyone knows my position on this, I'm sure). Jeremy, as already mentioned, executed a text-book case of good marketing. Whether he actually was smart enough to plan it out that way or it came to him later, he stands to make a good buck either way. A few people will grumble, a few will leave but the sport and Geocaching.com will still survive IMHO.

That's not to say of course that I begrudge anyone else their opinion or am defending commercialized geocaching.. I just applaud anyone with good business sense. Heck, Bill Gates is my hero!

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    Posted: Mar. 10 2002,5:48 pm QUOTE

Gota admit that I admire Bill Gates also.  I find myself defending him when the Gates bashers start slamming him.  On the other hand Microsoft’s methods of copy protection really annoy me. I don’t steal their software but they treat me like a two bit shoplifter.
Insert all the usual Microsoft complaints you’ve ever heard here…
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    Posted: Mar. 10 2002,6:32 pm QUOTE

Not to get off-topic, but you can't blame Microsoft for copy protecting their software.. for every person who buys a copy, there are 10 or more who don't.

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    Posted: Mar. 10 2002,6:44 pm QUOTE

I kinda like the bumper sticker, or maybe a pin!

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    Posted: Mar. 10 2002,6:49 pm QUOTE

Quote (DxChallenged @ Mar. 08 2002,8:58 pm)
:love and I saw a dead rabbit...attack rodent...thing with big teeth...

On the way home after successful solo caching   :grinnin

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    Posted: Mar. 10 2002,6:56 pm QUOTE

off topic but I have to admit...I am a huge fan of Monty Python. Heck, I even owned a "reticulated Python" when I was 16 and named it "Monty"

Those snakes can grow to 30 feet...not something you want to find while out caching. :p

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Posted: Mar. 10 2002,9:13 pm QUOTE

To get to my cache, you'll have to cross this bridge. But before you can cross this bridge, you'll have to answer 3 questions right. :grinnin  :grinnin

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    Posted: Mar. 11 2002,1:41 am QUOTE

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That said, I've decided to start my own geocaching website.

I'm going to give it to you straight.

I've listed my caches on the corporate site and this one.
I won't be listing caches on geocachingworldwide.com and I won't be listing them on yours unless it's 100 times better than any other. (Read: holodeck)

It's not so much that I'm pro-Quinn/Navicache, but two is enough for me. If I am just going to cut-n-paste than it's easy to do since it's a one time deal. Checking up on them for possible problems would become a chore and a bore if I had to look at too many sites.

I'd like to suggest that for the next two months that you pitch in at Navicache and see if you can't help make *this* the best site out there for listing caches.

I'm not affiliated with any cache site. I started the usenet group but even that was just submitting some control messages to alt.config.

Feel free to decline, this place is all about freedom, even the freedom to say "no thanks"
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    Posted: Mar. 11 2002,10:02 am QUOTE

I agree, even two listing sites are one two many.. I'd be interested in seeing (however) a geocaching website devoted to letting people post and comment on their log entries and photos in the field. There are even a couple excellent scripts out there that would accomplish this very nicely like PhotoPost or MyPhotoGallery. The key is to provide a new FRESH service and not one that's being done already. I had thought to do this with my Cachetown domain but never actually got around to it. Now, Cachetown.com points to here.

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    Posted: Mar. 11 2002,10:10 am QUOTE

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I've listed my caches on the corporate site and this one.

I too have my my caches listed on both sites & at this point, it is a necessity for maximum exposure. Lets face it, all the politics & backbiting in the world can't change that. In time, that will probably change. But for now, thats the way it is. In the last 2 days, my caches have been logged 13 times. 1 of those logs is from Navicache, the other 12 from Geocaching.And all these logs are from local cachers. I think a lot of the negative talk just tends to turn people off & takes focus away from what we're all doing here. That's enjoying this great activity. I don't care if I am asked to pay for the opportunity to be a part of this, either here or somewhere else.What I want is the info & the interaction with others that share their love of the game. As I stated before, I couldn't care less if the owners of a either/any site turn this into a career. What I want is access to what I need to play. Site features & atmosphere on the site is what will make the difference on who goes where. And the additions here in the last 6 months have been fantastic.Spreading the word aboout Navicache is going in the right direction, but nobody expects things to change overnight. And any negativity directed in anyones direction is not going to help anybody.

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    Posted: Mar. 11 2002,10:25 am QUOTE

Hey Mike.....the windows were tightly secured thanks your very much and I sped past the "attack rabbit"///but must admit to wanting to slow down and see if he was foaming at the mouth.........

Hey Gary.....Have you really got a cache with a bridge...keeper of the bridge......maybe even a catapault..... :p

I'll be there!!

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    Posted: Mar. 11 2002,4:47 pm QUOTE

I think it is safe to say, I would not be here typing this now had the other site not gone pay to play. I believe it to be in direct conflict with what the founding fathers (i.e. the first players) had in mind when touting the sport. I have to admit, I now feel hesitant to mention the game or the site to others. Is this wrong? I dunno. Who am I to judge. I just know what my gut tells me. I may still yet give my pittance to the cause, as I believe it to be a worthy one. (if somewhat skewed in its application) I too, am no supercacher. In just under a year I have hidden 9 and found 25 or 6. BUT I adhere to the fundamental principals of the internet and the game. I think you may see me around here a bit more. Up until now I would just pop in and look around and leave. hmmmmmm still on the fence  ---Cache-potato
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    Posted: Mar. 11 2002,4:52 pm QUOTE

Welcome cache-Potato :wave

And while sitting on the fence just remember you are always welcome here, even if you also belong to other sites. That's just the way WE play around here !

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