Joined: Oct. 2001
||Posted: Mar. 06 2002,4:02 am
Wow Gimpy you do have crazy money invested in this game and $80 for dinner, I don't think I've spent that much in the last 2 or 3 years going out to dinner total (but I'm poor). (I do appreciate the time and money you've spent on caches, can't wait to hit some and I promise I will get out your guys's way sooner or later)
Anyway the cost isn't what upset me, neither is having a membership option that adds some extras. I completely understand that the sites take money to run and that as they grow they will take more money, also I realize a huge amount of time is involved in them. Like I posted on the geocaching.com site, I'd have no problem with special privileges for members, ie enhanced cache page making abilities, enhanced logging, special icons, icons in the message forums (that's something that's big on other non geocache forums I've started posting to, you pay a few bucks and get to make up a title, have a little thing by your name, get a picture and what not). I even don't mind him being able to make money on it and quit his job doing only that full time, heck if I would have started a cache site up that was as big as geocaching.com or navicache.com I would be trying to think of a way to quit my job and do that full time as well. The problem I have is with the "member only caches". If those were not part of it, it would be a non issue to me. Or if he placed those special member only caches, that would be fine as well. But in creating member only caches you ARE commercializing the sport. Creating new games like the travel bugs that are pay for play wouldn't bother me as much (I wouldn't be found of it but not enough to complain) but the member's caches are just plain wrong. Geocaching is not an organized endevor, it's a grassroots sport or hobby, being forced to pay for the premier caches is damaging to the hobby IMHO. To withold information is different then offering bonuses. I also think it just looks bad for new people, if I would have stumbled onto a site that said here's some caches but give us $30 and you can get the premiere member caches I highly doubt I would have become attached to the game like I did. I would have saw it (as Quinn points out) as a money making opportunity, in fact the one couple in WA that I introduced to geocaching, the guy was in marketing and he was convinced that it was all put out by either garmin or magellen or some individual making money off of it. I told him that was not the case, that there were bonuses like travel bugs and some advertising to pay for the upkeep of the site, however I'm not sure I could say that anymore. I realize these sites do belong to the people who own them, but the game belongs to US if it wasn't for the cachers their would be no geocaching, just as if it wasn't for the sites there would be no geocaching. Even if it was $10 for the year I would still be upset because of the member caches. If it was $100 for the year and no member caches I wouldn't be posting this ridiculously long email emphasizing the things that attracted me to a sport which involves searching for a plastic box filled with trinkets (actually it's acinine when you think about it ) but that's beside the point, it's the PRINCIPAL of the thing, get rid of member only caches, and ad a few advertisements if you have to, or have nonmembers see ads and members not see any.
I could rant forever about this, but I'll stop, this I think is the start of a big change in geocaching (maybe I'm being paranoid and I hope I am, but it's almost like the tobacco companies giving away cigarettes during the war, making them super addictive, and then charging for them ok so that's an exageratted example, but it's 6:00 am I haven't slept and am somewhat irritated by this whole idea, I wouldn't even mind coorporate caches, that's fine because the info is still flowing. Ok I'm stopping this rant for real this time.
But I realize not everyone views things the same way as me, if you can't tell I tend to get somewhat opinionated on philisophical or principal type things.
"...Not all those who wander are lost..."