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Posted: Nov. 22 2003,2:46 am QUOTE

Recently I posted that I was looking to place a cache on National Park Service land.

After nearly a week, I get this ominous message.

"This is Ranger X, with the National Park Service, I am the law enforcement ranger at the park you visited asking to place a geocache."

I called him back, and had a nice conversation with him about what geocaching is in general, and what I'd like to do.

He informed me that he has some friends in a town close that do geocache, and that he had talked with them prior to contacting me. He also said that he went and checked to see if anyone had placed one in the park already...they hadn't. He informed me that if someone HAD placed one without permission, that they can and probably would be prosecuted in FEDERAL court. (Nothing like a nice FEDERAL conviction for anything on your record  :grinnin !)

Long story short...he said that yes, I could place a cache there, and that it would be watched VERY VERY closely by the rangers. I don't think I have to worry about this one being stolen, or plundered!

I am going to make it a multi-stage cache, so that folks will actually walk the park in question, as it is definitely a very nice park (albeit fairly small   160+- acres)

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    Posted: Nov. 22 2003,5:48 am QUOTE

Hey!!!  congrats ;)   that is a big step for cachers. I hope it comes out as being very positive for everyone including the park.

Let us know how all goes with this.


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    Posted: Nov. 22 2003,8:04 am QUOTE

Wow, that's great! Maybe, just maybe, this could be the door starting to creak open.... :)

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    Posted: Nov. 22 2003,8:31 am QUOTE

Certainl the outcome we like to see and certainly within the findings of the BLM  as listed here.

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    Posted: Nov. 22 2003,10:27 am QUOTE

Might be worth a subtle note on the cache page to be extra ultra responsible when hunting the cache, to set a shining example of Geocachers to the NPS.

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    Posted: Nov. 22 2003,11:10 am QUOTE

I would also recommend a "Thank you to.." in the comments section for granting permission. Though this of course is entirely up to you.

Edited by PC Medic on Nov. 22 2003,11:11 am

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    Posted: Nov. 23 2003,6:50 am QUOTE

Quote (PC Medic @ Nov. 22 2003,1:10 pm)
I would also recommend a "Thank you to.." in the comments section for granting permission. Though this of course is entirely up to you.

Actually, you probably should include a little statement in the cache description that the cache, is indeed placed on NPS land, but that it is placed with the permission of "Ranger X". And that you want to Thank him/them for allowing it.

I say this, because once people actually look at the map, or get to the park entrance, and realize its NPS land, they may turn around and not do the cache if they know caches are officially banned on NPS land.

I would also contact the ranger again, and tell him that you are stating in the description that he/she/them specifically gave permission for the cache to be placed.

Its only fair to them to let them know their name is on the line also, so they are not surprised later on by an upset superior if anything happens.
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    Posted: Nov. 24 2003,6:14 pm QUOTE

On second thought, maybe that is NOT such a good thing. There are some bozos over on GC that WANT to cache in WILDLIFE REFUGES now, for God's sake? Why does every friggin square inch of the US have to be open for caching? Don't they understand that there are SOME areas that have to be left alone?

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    Posted: Nov. 24 2003,6:48 pm QUOTE

Well folks it is placed!

When talking to the ranger....

They indeed have nice fancy US Gov't issued GPS's! He also noted that they will be perpetually checking to ensure no unauthorised caches are placed at this park. (Now that they know there are cachers in the area!)

I specifically noted in the description that it is on NPS land, and that it is there with permission, and that the cacher can only attempt to locate the cache during the park's open hours. (Do NOT attempt to locate this cache outside hours listed!)

The park is also setting up a new GPS program for children on the park :laugh: No caches...but lots of waypoints and questions involved. I hope that they also let the kids know that there is a cache on the park, and that they can look at it and log it!


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    Posted: Nov. 24 2003,8:41 pm QUOTE

Again, this is great!

I have seen the listing (Duh! I would hope so) and must admit you couldn't have done much better with the NPS notice and thanks. Hopefully searchers will have the same respect as I am sure this ranger will discuss his experiences with rangers of other parks. This is the perfect way to show them that like any other outdoor recreation sport, geocachers too can respect the land.


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    Posted: Nov. 24 2003,8:50 pm QUOTE

Unfortunately,

One of the things the Ranger did say was,

"Geocaching has a very poor reputation in genearal. Many protected areas of some parks have been virtually destroyed or seriously damaged."

This is why this particular cache has to be asked for...from a Ranger! Nice easy was for them to monitor the activity!


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    Posted: Nov. 30 2003,9:22 am QUOTE

The NPS has a very poor reputation in general. I haven't gotten feedback from the non-geocaching public to hear the reaction one way or the other. It's only recently that everyone is starting to know people who geocache even if they don't do it themselves. He probably (and I'm assuming) meant Geocaching has a poor rep with the NPS.

Still this is a good thing.  It opens the door.  There are NPS lands that should not have a cache and there are NPS lands that can very well have geocaching be a viable activity.  Odds are there are far more lands that can support geocaching than can't.


Edited by Renegade Knight on Nov. 30 2003,9:25 am

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    Posted: Jan. 05 2004,5:52 pm QUOTE

Quote (Cracker7M @ Nov. 23 2003,8:50 am)
Quote (PC Medic @ Nov. 22 2003,1:10 pm)
I would also recommend a "Thank you to.." in the comments section for granting permission. Though this of course is entirely up to you.

Actually, you probably should include a little statement in the cache description that the cache, is indeed placed on NPS land, but that it is placed with the permission of "Ranger X". And that you want to Thank him/them for allowing it.

I say this, because once people actually look at the map, or get to the park entrance, and realize its NPS land, they may turn around and not do the cache if they know caches are officially banned on NPS land.

I would also contact the ranger again, and tell him that you are stating in the description that he/she/them specifically gave permission for the cache to be placed.

Its only fair to them to let them know their name is on the line also, so they are not surprised later on by an upset superior if anything happens.

That is a great suggestion....  I also don't want to sound like we're telling you what to do....but I'm sure you'll want to pay very close attention to just what impact your cache will have on plants and vegatation in the area.  If it looks like the NPS might say something, just be pro-active and fix things before they have to step in.  

Congrats on helping mend a bridge between the two!!!   WELL DONE!


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    Posted: Jan. 17 2004,2:12 am QUOTE

I am 100% sure there will be zero damage to the NPS lands.

As I said...this cache is very well looked after...you literally gotta ask for it ,and can't physically get within 10' of it without hitting brick walls.

Good news is....

The cache is slowly doing it's intended job...bringing people to the Park! They have visited from Texas, and Minnesota (and the cache is in Nebraska...off of a secondary highway!)...odd thing no locals have hit it.


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