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    Posted: Sep. 16 2003,7:10 pm QUOTE

First of all this website is MUCH better than GC.com, make no mistake about it. I really like the features in here better. You have better icons to add to the cache description (handicapped, water, parking, etc) and better clue boxes. I also like the smileys much better here. And you sure seem friendlier than the other place. Sorry to have to retire my caches almost immediately, but I have already wiped out all my cache finds and benchmarks at the other site.
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    Posted: Sep. 16 2003,7:27 pm QUOTE

Certainly hate to see you go (especially so soon), and definately hate to see someone throw in the towel on a sport they must have enjoyed to have stayed in it for 3 years now.
Hopefully you will change your mind and decide to stay. If not, your caches will always be there to reactivate should you change your mind.

If you do not mind our curiosity, why the sudden decision to leave?


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    Posted: Sep. 16 2003,9:00 pm QUOTE

Team 360, don't go!
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    Posted: Sep. 16 2003,10:38 pm QUOTE

:(  I may go hit a cache every now and then, just for fun, but won't be putting finds up on the boards. Too much competition with numbers, and then there are the morons in the forums (not here) that like to harass. I have just really had enough. I just can't take the negativity associated with this game anymore. If I do any more caching, I will keep my stats and finds to myself, writing them in my own little book.

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    Posted: Sep. 16 2003,11:28 pm QUOTE

Team 360, sorry to see that your hanging up your caching boots. Geocaching is basically a individual activity which you play by your own rules. Don't let outside influences ruin it for you. Take a break and then come back and play. :wave
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    Posted: Sep. 17 2003,1:18 am QUOTE

360, I sent you an email via gc's email service, but it may not make it because the word Navicache was in it throughout. Anyway, take a break, but don't quit.

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    Posted: Sep. 17 2003,4:57 am QUOTE

The numbers mean nothing except to those competing (most here do not compete and are in it for the fun).

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    Posted: Sep. 17 2003,5:44 am QUOTE

Team 360, don't let the harrassment get to you. It's been done to me. Of course I might of deserved some of it. :D

I've even been harrassed before by the same person you spoke of. I haven't in a while and as a matter of fact they sent a letter of truce to me a month or so ago. Keep on caching, don't let it stop you. If you want to take a break from the GC forums or leave them altogether, trust me, I understand. I too don't agree with some of their stuff and especially their way of running a forum. It seems they are finally stepping up and doing some moderating now. Don't forget I also have a message board, so if you want to go somewhere that is quiet, extremely quiet, then that is the place. lol


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    Posted: Sep. 17 2003,10:00 pm QUOTE

I also got tired of the numbers game, so I zero'd out my find count on geocaching.com.  Took the better part of an afternoon.  My local caching buddies know that the (0) after my name doesn't reflect my true contribution to the game. I don't post online logs anymore, if you want to read my witty comments about each find you have to read the logbook.  I have also begun posting scans of my actual paper logbooks to the net.  Been putting links off my cache pages.  Still a work in progress.  Keep on caching but stay out of the forums on geocaching.com.  Too many folks there who don't actually place and find caches but spend their time jack-jawing online and trying to pick fights and upset people.  I've got very little time for that kind of nonsense.   You find that once you stop counting up smileys, you actually are free to enjoy the cache visiting experience more, because once you've stamped the logbook and signed your name, you're done.
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    Posted: Sep. 18 2003,5:40 am QUOTE

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Too many folks there who don't actually place and find caches but spend their time jack-jawing online and trying to pick fights and upset people.  

I hear what your saying. I've been on there (GC) since June. I'm on the message board a lot, because I'm a stay at home dad and run a few websites. I might be able to get out for a few hours a week on an average to cache. On of the first things that was put to me, was to go out and cache (get my smiley count up) or basically shut up. I had a few good weekends and upped my count to over 60. Then I turn around and look at these people who were saying the things to me before and they aren't too much higher than I am in smiley counts, but have been there a year and sometimes 2. I won't lie and say the numbers don't matter to me. Mine do matter to me in my own personal way. I like the fact of being able to keep an online record of my counts, but think it should be where you can make it public if you want or not. I haven't completely looked at how they do the scroing thing over here yet, so I can't say if I like it better or not. I do like that they allow virtuals though. GC needs to make up their mind of what they are going to do with them, rather than skirting the issue. If they want to focus on a physical cache container, then do that. I thank Jeremy for everything he has done over there and I am a premium member. I like the PQ's. But, I have little respect for the people who run it or those who volunteer their time over there. Especially with the comments they make and the way they handle their business. I agree with Solohiker's little phrase. The one about how they run it a business like a hobby, rather than a hobby like a business.

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    Posted: Sep. 18 2003,6:51 am QUOTE

A geocacher, is a geocacher is a geocacher !!

I often here many say, 'I would list all of my caches here, but I don't want to lose my smiley count.' Now while I understand a little competition can be fune, I certainly hope this is not the reason they are geocaching. If it is, perhaps they have somehow gotten the wrong idea of what geocaching is all about. Simple fact is how many caches you find or place is not the object to the game/sport. The object is to go out, enjoy the outdoors with a little challange and maybe see some places you never would have were it not for the cache hunt you were on. :thumbs-up  Any scoring or competition is a secondary idea that some enjoy, but MOST could care less about (myself included   :sick  ).

So as Woodsters said, 'don't let the harrassment get to you', and certainly don't let it chase you from an activity you enjoy.
If someone wants to play the 'my dogs better than your dog' game, consider the source and continue to have a good time.


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    Posted: Sep. 18 2003,2:38 pm QUOTE

Lowracer and Woodster, and PCmedic, you are all right on the mark. I went out and hit some caches today, and I love doing it this way, signing the logbook and not logging the finds online. No one needs to see my numbers, anyhow. I know right where I am at, and don't feel the public pressure to "keep up" or "try to catch up" with anyone else. A huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders by doing it this way.
I really couldn't keep up with the maintenance required on my caches, so that is why I archived them. Sorry to do that to Navicache, it wasn't too fair to them, and I feel badly about it. I really prefer not to have any caches of my own for now. If I put any out there, you will be the first to know.
Some of us are hunters only, I guess.
Not going back into the forums over there. The so-called "intellectuals" have nothing but holier-than-thou attitudes. One of them even tried to take me down with a virus attachment on an email they sent to me yesterday, but I scanned it and wiped it out before anything could happen. Talk about fanatics. They need to get away from the computer screen. Those people probably don't even know what an ammo box looks like.
I created a different account over there, just to go get downloads of cache waypoints, so no one will know when I am online for the whole 2 minutes it will take me to do so.
Sorry to see your forums are down, Woodsters. I checked out the site yesterday. Hey, you should drop Renegade Knight a line, and mention that you have a site. Tell him I sent you.
Maybe I will stick around here for a while, if I feel the need to chat a bit. Hope you all won't mind.


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    Posted: Sep. 18 2003,8:14 pm QUOTE

:)  Good to see you have reconsidered Team 360. Caching is supposed to be fun, so let the fun begin! After you find some more caches I'm sure you'll be ready to hide some again.
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    Posted: Sep. 19 2003,12:08 pm QUOTE

I would hope that anyone who decides to leave geocaching would do more than just archive their caches and physically abandon them to let them become trash in the environment!  Either retrieval or transfer of ownership to another cacher who would maintain them would seem essential both for the good of the environment and the good of the sport; a rotted out ammo box with the contents spilled down a hillside would not make points with the park ranger types.

A second point:  Only marking your find in the logbook does a real disservice to the cache owner who may depend on the cache report e-mails to evaluate the condition of their caches and know when to physically go out and maintain them, or retrieve them if they're causing a problem.  The original concept of geocaching included posting both the stash coordinates and subsequent finds on the internet; let's stick with it.


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    Posted: Sep. 19 2003,6:57 pm QUOTE

Well, I have proposed adoption to another cacher already. If I don't hear back from them in a week, then I will of course go get them, since they are archived. I would never be that irresponsible.
As far as logging finds online, that is one thing I will NOT be doing anymore. I won't allow my finds to be tracked and posted. That's just the way I play this game from here on out. There is no rule set in concrete that one HAS to log online, anyhow. Besides, what effect is one less log going to have on the cache page? None whatsoever. If a cache does needs maintenance, I will still email the cache owner directly and let them know.  Thank you.  :)


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    Posted: Sep. 19 2003,8:53 pm QUOTE

I too have been notifying the cache owner if anything is amiss.  Since the logbook for me is a big part of the fun, I have even built my own rubber stamp (found one of those self-inking jobs used at goodwill for 39 cents, and carved up a draftsman's eraser to make my own logo, then silicone glue'd it to the self-inking unit - works great), and I stamp the logbooks now.  I also have begun scanning my paper logbooks and posting a link to my cache pages so that others can view the paper logbooks.  There really are a lot of interesting visitors to the caches who do not log online.  I did a cache here today that I just happened to be driving by.  I didn't even know what its name was.  I signed the logbook, then went on my way, didn't give it a second thought.  I have also described this as a great weight being lifted.  :laugh:
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    Posted: Sep. 20 2003,3:47 am QUOTE

One of my first placements had several logs from people I'd never heard of. Perhaps they were accidental finders that understood the spirit of the game and logged in. I had thought about limiting my logs to the book in the cache itself, but decided that it would be easier on the cache owner to read the online logs. That and the militant mosquito population make my physical logs concise and efficient. I find it easier to write a creative log in the a/c at home than in the field amongst the drone of insects.  (Laziness plays a big part as well.):grinnin

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    Posted: Sep. 20 2003,1:19 pm QUOTE

Glad to see you stayed Team 360. I got the message board back up. Actually revamped it somewhat. There's a section for downloads now, I believe I got one you made(microlog) on there. If anyone has one on there that they made and use, send it my way. Doesn't matter if it's got the GC or navicahe name. Also if Quinn will send me a small Navicache graphic, I will be happy to place that there in the forums and possibly on the rest of the site as well.

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    Posted: Sep. 22 2003,5:07 am QUOTE

Barrington makes two VERY good points.
The log book is nice (and I always sign it), but I actually feel the entries to the site are more useful all around. As Barrington pointed out, it is useful info to the cache owner. I chack on mine about every 6 months, but recently saw a log entry indicating the container was ceacked. This entry alerted me to go out and replace the container (now an ammo box) protecting the contents from damage.  :thumbs-up

Now I need to go back out and check them to see if they survived hurricane Isabel!  :(


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    Posted: Sep. 25 2003,8:31 am QUOTE

I am going to email the cache owner after each find, just to let them know I found it and what kind of shape the cache is in....There are several caches around my area that have been missing or have gone "not found" for several months (according to the online logs) and the owner has not done anything or responded online. After a few hundred posts, my online logs were pretty much sounding all the same, anyhow: "TNLN, thanks for the cache". No one wants to read that. Maybe I just ran out of creative ways to come up with an interesting online entry. I think a direct email to the cache owner may even be better than an online log, as the owner might not read them anyhow.

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    Posted: Sep. 25 2003,8:33 am QUOTE

By the way, I went out and physically retrieved my archived caches yesterday, so no worries about Geo-Litter, at least not from me...

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    Posted: Sep. 25 2003,10:15 am QUOTE

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By the way, I went out and physically retrieved my archived caches yesterday, so no worries about Geo-Litter, at least not from me...

Good for you!

It occurs to me that Navicache should probably add a check box to the cache listing for the cache owner to indicate that he has retrieved the remains of a cache when he archives/retires the cache. Not only would that encourage such good behavior, but it also gives the rest of the community a way to identify caches that might have to be cleaned up.


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    Posted: Sep. 25 2003,12:55 pm QUOTE

Quote (Scout @ Sep. 25 2003,12:15 pm)
It occurs to me that Navicache should probably add a check box to the cache listing for the cache owner to indicate that he has retrieved the remains of a cache when he archives/retires the cache. Not only would that encourage such good behavior, but it also gives the rest of the community a way to identify caches that might have to be cleaned up.

Great idea!

We will add this or something similar to our list.


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    Posted: Nov. 09 2003,3:37 pm QUOTE

I totally know what Team 360 means about the forums, I've spent the last few weeks campaining over there for a relaxation of their vacation rule for responsible cachers. The only constructive comments against them actually came from someone who's name i noted on this forum.

Not only were his comments constructive, they included an excellent solution.

I have to say, I've noticed a lot of elitism there, although, it doesn't seem to come from those that run the place.

I log my finds because I like to see my own score add up, not too bothered who else sees it. I'm also terrible at keeping hold of stuff that's written down, so having it online is really good for me. Although, it would be nice to have a privacy option.

Well, Team 360, good luck with going it alone, although, it'd be nice if you could manage to put at least one cache back online, just to help navicache. Perhaps if you want to make a statement, you could only list it here, and then only those who were nice to you can find it  :)


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    Posted: Nov. 10 2003,8:22 pm QUOTE

I don't post in the forums at GC.com anymore. There are some pretty snotty people over there.
I'll still hit both sites to find caches though. Navicache just doesn't have many caches listed for my area (they're all my hides except for 1 or 2)!
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Posted: Nov. 17 2003,5:30 pm QUOTE

he he, I just had a thought after re-reading this thread, maybe the forum servers "over there" couldn't take the negativity anymore, and decided to self type:

FORMAT C: /q (goodbye cruel world)

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    Posted: Feb. 25 2004,7:29 am QUOTE

I tread lightly in all forums.  Even the ones I am the admin for.  People have more of a tendancy ot be defensive and take crtitism as a personal attack.  :angry:  I have been a member "over there" since last May, only because it has soo many caches in my area.  I wish this site had more, but I am patient. :cool:

I rarely log my finds online.  I do not care about numbers.  as a matter of fact, the only reason I log finds is to keep track for myself where I have gone.  I use the .gpx files in GCSAK to keep track of my finds.  Once a week I get the custom querry so I can use the software and not have to visit the site as much.

If you do not care about numbers, just don't log.  If you do want the stats, log.  If you do not want to "listen" to people complain, do not participate in the forums.  It isnt like you are going to meet these people on a regular basis, if at all...

Just have fun! :D :laugh: :cool:
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    Posted: Mar. 05 2004,9:50 am QUOTE

Quote (Volvo Man @ Nov. 09 2003,5:37 pm)
I have to say, I've noticed a lot of elitism there, although, it doesn't seem to come from those that run the place.

You are completely right! There is a band of arrogant jerks who are always right over there. I can think of about five that should quit posting and start caching more.
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    Posted: Mar. 23 2004,5:08 am QUOTE

Perspective, perspective.  I'm new so I really don't get the numbers thing but I get enjoyment from the rat race looking for caches, but only when I can.
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Too many folks there who don't actually place and find caches but spend their time jack-jawing online and trying to pick fights and upset people.  

I hear what your saying. I've been on there (GC) since June. I'm on the message board a lot, because I'm a stay at home dad and run a few websites. I might be able to get out for a few hours a week on an average to cache. On of the first things that was put to me, was to go out and cache (get my smiley count up) or basically shut up. I had a few good weekends and upped my count to over 60. Then I turn around and look at these people who were saying the things to me before and they aren't too much higher than I am in smiley counts, but have been there a year and sometimes 2. I won't lie and say the numbers don't matter to me. Mine do matter to me in my own personal way. I like the fact of being able to keep an online record of my counts, but think it should be where you can make it public if you want or not. I haven't completely looked at how they do the scroing thing over here yet, so I can't say if I like it better or not. I do like that they allow virtuals though. GC needs to make up their mind of what they are going to do with them, rather than skirting the issue. If they want to focus on a physical cache container, then do that. I thank Jeremy for everything he has done over there and I am a premium member. I like the PQ's. But, I have little respect for the people who run it or those who volunteer their time over there. Especially with the comments they make and the way they handle their business. I agree with Solohiker's little phrase. The one about how they run it a business like a hobby, rather than a hobby like a business.

Hopefully I'm not re-opening a can of worms here, but like some of ya have said already the forums over at gc.com can be a bit daunting and intimindating and/or elitist.  I had started a thread over there, one moderator saw it and replied, then another comes along and says that he feels that I started it in the wrong forum and that instead of moving it (without explaining that where it "belonged" was a premium member feature) that he was just going to close it.  Giving if you ask me the moderators too much power.  In my humble opinion no one moderator should be able to either close or move a thread, but rather it should require two or more moderators to review and agree that it needs to be either moved or closed.

After that I "dropped out" of the hobby for several months, but I am back now, and I am just going to concentrate on finding and logging caches.  And also as some of ya have said the numbers are really only important to me, as it makes me feel good to find another cache.  Right now over there I just found my 17th and 18th caches yesterday.

And they were with the help of two new caching friends.  We'd gone out in search of two that are relativly close togeather.  One even with 3 of us looking we couldn't find, but we did find the second one.  It took us a while as we were trying to figure out how the number that we came up with after doing the math should be entered.

Then after we went our sperate ways I went back after a cache I'd previously DNF'd and found it.  Thanks again to their help and seeing what the cache container looks like.

It is literaly the size of a pill, so it would be REAL easy to overlook IF ya didn't really know what yer looking for.

And I can't help but wonder how the "good" people "behind the scenes" at gc.com can't help but realize the harm rather than the good they are doing to the hobby/activity of Geocaching with their stuffed shirt attitudes and strong armed tactics.

I mean don't they realize that they are as we see/saw with Team360 driving people from a hobby/activity that they enjoy doing?

Granted, right now I haven't hidden any caches of my own, but I do have a good idea on where to hide my first cache, and I'll probably list it either here or over at tc.com.  I doubt that I'll list any with gc.com.


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