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    Posted: Feb. 17 2005,12:16 pm QUOTE

What is the general feeling about listing caches on Navicache and gc.com at the same time? I am willing to list most of mine in both places if there is no objection. :D  Hopefully cachers will log travel bugs and hitchhikers properly. BTW, are hitchhikers in use? I haven't seen mention of one yet.
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    Posted: Feb. 17 2005,12:38 pm QUOTE

As explained in the response to your email query regarding this, cross-posting between Navicache.com and other sites is fine. Many people do this for various reasons. One school of though is that should everything happen where one site is down (whether permanent or temporary) you have not lost any potential visityors or data. Another is for added exposure. There are actually some that only visit one site or another and may not otherwise see your listing. While this may not be the majoity, they do exist.

So again, we not only do not have a problem with cross-listing, we encourage it.

This very topic by the way has been discussed several times here in the forums and additional information may be found using the 'Search' feature.


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    Posted: Feb. 17 2005,2:25 pm QUOTE

I am planning to cross-post my caches - but I will register them on navicache.com a few months before I register them on geocaching.com, to encourage people to use this site. At the moment I have one that is listed both here and there, and two that only are listed here (so far).
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    Posted: Feb. 22 2005,12:37 am QUOTE

I have not cross-posted my caches, yet.
Still thinking about deciding if I will.  
My last cache placements have been here.  I will not place any more elsewhere, until I feel that sort of thing is once again appropriate.
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    Posted: Feb. 22 2005,11:28 am QUOTE

Quote (PC Medic @ Feb. 17 2005,2:38 pm)
This very topic by the way has been discussed several times here in the forums

Don't remember if the following issue has been discussed:

/EDITED: oops ... Yes I see it now /

Is there a good way for a cacher to find out which of the cross-listed caches he/she already found and logged on the other site?

(We discussed this with Scubadog over the weekend ... with over a thousand logged finds on Groundspeak's site, he just can't be expected to remember the names of every cache he found)

Thus far, all of my Navicaches are unique listings, and half of them were found even though none are visible on Groundspeak searches  :p (OK, a reality check: this "half" is actually a single find of only one uniquely listed Navicache, and I pumped its visibility by shamelessly mentioning it every so often at the local forums and local games site :) ).


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    Posted: Feb. 22 2005,4:11 pm QUOTE

Quote (MOCKBA @ Feb. 22 2005,1:28 pm)
Is there a good way for a cacher to find out which of the cross-listed caches he/she already found and logged on the other site?

(We discussed this with Scubadog over the weekend ... with over a thousand logged finds on Groundspeak's site, he just can't be expected to remember the names of every cache he found)

A perfect example of how shared access among the sites can benefit the geocaching community. In the mean time, you'll have to rough it until better metods are developed.

With the large number you are talking there may ba a couple ways to sync things up. For example, our data is easy to grab and being a member at GC you can grab 'your' data from there. You could then use a utility to compare the two sets of data.

Which utility is the question.


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    Posted: July 27 2006,6:50 pm QUOTE

Glad to see that Navicache allows dual listings. I have 20 caches on GC and wanted to list them here as well. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

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    Posted: July 27 2006,7:55 pm QUOTE

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Glad to see that Navicache allows dual listings. I have 20 caches on GC and wanted to list them here as well. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Never understood why sites would not allow cross-listing. That is of course unless the intent is to try to maintain control over the sport/game. I feel the game belongs to the players and we (Navicache) simply provide an online community and listing service for those involved.  

As for advice... if you are going to cross-post (and we hope you do), careful copying-and-pasting descriptions from other sites you have listed with. This sometimes can introduce unwanted line breaks in your listing. For now the best method is to re-enter the information directly in our submission form.


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    Posted: July 27 2006,8:27 pm QUOTE

Appreciate the heads up and welcome, I will start working on the listings over the next few days. All the caches are active on GC and have been logged several times and appear to be generally liked.

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    Posted: Aug. 09 2006,7:10 pm QUOTE

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Never understood why sites would not allow cross-listing.

There is only one site I know that discourages cross posting.  I  agree with the reasoning behind it.

There's one big site and then some smaller sites.  Each has its niche.  That one site is seeking caches that are unique.  The feeling is that if everything were cross listed, there is no reason to visit yet another listing site.  I think that reasoning has merit.

And as the thread directly below this one (at this point) highlights, folks who have listed on multiple sites frequently forget to keep all those listings up-to-date.  Stale data do little for the seeker.

Yes, the data belong to the cachers, but a cacher should be able to restrict his data if he chooses.  I do not have a problem with that whatsoever.


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    Posted: Aug. 10 2006,7:52 am QUOTE

Quote (Batona @ Aug. 09 2006,9:10 pm)
Quote (PC Medic @ July 27 2006,9:55 pm)
Never understood why sites would not allow cross-listing.

There is only one site I know that discourages cross posting.  I  agree with the reasoning behind it.


There is only one that (I am aware of) which forbids cross-posting, but there have been a couple that have discouraged it for their own various reasons.

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There's one big site and then some smaller sites.  Each has its niche.  That one site is seeking caches that are unique.  The feeling is that if everything were cross listed, there is no reason to visit yet another listing site.  I think that reasoning has merit.


Actually you present one of the reasons here in that each site "has its niche". Some offer features others don't, some provide more direct contact to other geocachers in your area, some are more commercial while others are more open (community) minded.

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And as the thread directly below this one (at this point) highlights, folks who have listed on multiple sites frequently forget to keep all those listings up-to-date.  Stale data do little for the seeker.


While I agree that stale data is of little use to the seeker, this problem is not limited to cross-listed caches. Human nature is that many folks will try something only to become bored with it at some point. Whne this happens many will simply move on to something else and in the case of an activity like geocaching, this effects others involved as they have simply abandoned the hobby and their listings. All that can be done in cases like this is for the admins to retire those listings as this becomes apparent. This issue is actually where the open-caching concept (which we support) was born. This concept allows among other things, for sites to share data and synch their databases. This could eventually mean that if you list a cache or post a find to site A, then those changes would also take place automatically on site B. For example this open 'community' spirit is what enables locations of caches listed here to automatically appear on Buxley's Maps and other sites.

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Yes, the data belong to the cachers, but a cacher should be able to restrict his data if he chooses.  I do not have a problem with that whatsoever.


Agreed and why here they are able to set a flag stating if they want their cache data to be available for listing on other sites. This is better than the alternative where a site may try to claim ownership of the listing (that is a whole different topic though).

Two of the biggest pluses I see to cross-listing are that 1) it sparks the various sites to try to offer something the other guy does not have and 2) putting all your eggs in one basket could be devestating to the sport should a single major player begin to struggle. For those that say the latter would never happen ... I remember the same being said for companies like Kodak, Xerox, GM, Chevy, and any other number of examples.


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    Posted: Aug. 10 2006,9:36 pm QUOTE

Quote (PC Medic @ Aug. 10 2006,9:52 am)
There is only one that (I am aware of) which forbids cross-posting,but there have been a couple that have discouraged it for their own various reasons.
I know of no site that forbids cross-posting.

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While I agree that stale data is of little use to the seeker,this problem is not limited to cross-listed caches.
I agree.

Quote (PC Medic @ Aug. 10 2006,9:52 am)
Two of the biggest pluses I see to cross-listing are . . .
I agree there are pluses.  My sole point was to highlight that there can be a valid reason to restrict cross-listing data and that it is not necessarily an evil.  It fits within the framework of the game that is being played there.


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    Posted: Aug. 11 2006,5:55 pm QUOTE

I just got hammered by a rep of a large site about cooperating with a reviewer. Seems that I am to kneel down and obey, I never saw that in their guidelines. I will be listing on Navicache in the future.

I appreciate the support from this site and will be listing my caches on Navicache from now on. After some careful thought, I have come to the conclusion that listing on more than this site won't help this community grow.

Just my 2 cents


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    Posted: Aug. 11 2006,7:35 pm QUOTE

Welcome to Navicache. Just list wherever, cache wherever, play wherever. Illegitimi Non Carborundum. ;-)

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    Posted: Nov. 28 2008,7:11 pm QUOTE

First thread & first post.
Wow, a commendable attitude. I know of two sites that frown on cross listing, one of them I'll never go back to, the other...
Considering the nearest NC I can find is 24.4 miles away I'm stuck, for now.
I'll cross list my own so there are some listed around here.

BTW this thread should be sticky.
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    Posted: Dec. 01 2008,3:54 pm QUOTE

Quote (Vater_Araignee @ Nov. 28 2008,9:11 pm)
First thread & first post.
Wow, a commendable attitude. I know of two sites that frown on cross listing, one of them I'll never go back to, the other...
Considering the nearest NC I can find is 24.4 miles away I'm stuck, for now.
I'll cross list my own so there are some listed around here.

BTW this thread should be sticky.

Terracaching frowns (explicitly disallows) on it, but geocaching doesn't frown on it.
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    Posted: Feb. 26 2009,8:56 am QUOTE

I wanted to put a puzzle cache on a GroundSpeak Inc. site in which the only clue was the Navicache Waymark Number and the Volunteer Reviewer told me that it would not be allowed as GroundSpeak does not like to promote the competition.

I also thought that GroundSpeak Inc. considered all information on their site to be their "property". Maybe this was in regards to a one unique situation, something about maps.
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    Posted: July 14 2009,2:18 am QUOTE

Quote (Batona @ Aug. 10 2006,11:36 pm)
Quote (PC Medic @ Aug. 10 2006,9:52 am)
There is only one that (I am aware of) which forbids cross-posting,but there have been a couple that have discouraged it for their own various reasons.
I know of no site that forbids cross-posting.

Quote (PC Medic @ Aug. 10 2006,9:52 am)
While I agree that stale data is of little use to the seeker,this problem is not limited to cross-listed caches.
I agree.

Quote (PC Medic @ Aug. 10 2006,9:52 am)
Two of the biggest pluses I see to cross-listing are . . .
I agree there are pluses.  My sole point was to highlight that there can be a valid reason to restrict cross-listing data and that it is not necessarily an evil.  It fits within the framework of the game that is being played there.

terracaching forbids cross linking. i understand the reason behind it too. they want a unique database to build a userbase. if everyone listed their caches on navicache and they were also listed on geocaching.com and geocaching.com had a larger userbase, then the newer folks would simply opt for the site with the larger database. not knowing the history behind geocaching.com or its "founder."

on a side note. if geocaching.com ever requires my listings to be unique to their site, ill opt to leave them here with less exposure but with greater freedom. i dont have to worry about navicache ever creating this rule. as far as terracaching is concerned, i dont mind hiding a few caches here and there of good quality that only those users at tc.com will be exposed to.

i fall into the "exposure" category that pc medic described. i want as many people as possible to enjoy my caches.
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    Posted: Aug. 03 2009,1:25 pm QUOTE

cbsr, you're right about TerraCaching, except they do allow events to be crosslisted.

I've come to decide that while it might be a good idea, cross listing between GC and NC results in too many orphaned caches after they get archived on GC and then the NC listing is forgotten about by the owner.  

Since (in my experience) NC caches are not visited very often in most cases, looking at how long it has been since the cache was found, doesn't help figure out if it is active or not.  I've been working on trying to identify these orphaned NC caches near me and get them archived.

When deciding to hunt a physical NC cache, I make sure to do my homework first.


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    Posted: Nov. 04 2009,4:34 pm QUOTE

There was only one navicache sort of near me that I just could never get around to doing. Then one day I was on the local caching forums and a cache owner was lamenting that he had some kind of issue with his cache on GC. Turns out the cache was crosslisted here and there. He ended up archiving the GC listing so I sent him a gentle reminder to do the same here.

Like DG said, it pays to do your homework before heading out for a physical cache...
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    Posted: Nov. 06 2009,7:50 am QUOTE

Was it ever archived?  If not, check my post in THIS THREAD for suggested actions.

Edited by DudleyGrunt on Nov. 06 2009,8:02 am

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