Forum: Site Suggestions
Topic: The Smiley Count
started by: lowracer

Posted by lowracer on Aug. 17 2003,8:28 pm
Users of the "other" site are reluctant to switch because their beloved and hard-earned "smiley" count doesn't follow them here, and they'd be starting over here as rank newbies.  

Feature Request:  Allow a user to either 1) manually enter their "other site" smiley count into their profile here, then add their find count from here to it, or 2) script a script to snag their smiley count off their profile from that "other" site and automatically add it to their count here.

I say a user *owns* their own smiley count, and it is not the property of any given listing service.  If navicache.com could display their proper smiley count, others might be less reluctant to post and find caches from this site.

Posted by Scout on Aug. 17 2003,8:42 pm
Interesting idea. I hope Navicache considers this, but I'd understand if they didn't want to risk having Groundspeak, Inc., threaten them with a lawsuit, no matter how groundless.
Posted by lowracer on Aug. 19 2003,6:16 pm
Well the automatic mining of the smiley count off a competing database provider might be questionable legally, but having a generic "cache count" field where I can type in a single number that's added to my score should be kosher.  

Not that I'd use such a feature, since I don't keep score, but others do and this could be the feature that allows them to continue their caching over here... :rolleyes

Posted by PC Medic on Aug. 19 2003,6:55 pm
Ahh come on Scout, you know us, we 'consider' ALL suggestions,

Now, while I am not a "competitve" geocacher myself, I can understand where some may find being able to "combine" there smiley count with their finds here a useful feature. And actually something we have considered in the past. There are a few snags.
Of course one is "Honesty" (though we like to think everyone is honest). But if everyone may enter a number at registration....well you get the idea. Another issue is that many folks have caches listed on both sites. If finders have logged visits to the listing on both sites and we now combine the scores, you end up with artificially inflated scores.

This does not mean this is a dead issue, only one that is not a priority, and needs more planning.

Posted by Scout on Aug. 20 2003,11:47 am
Leaving aside the issue of combining hide/find stats from gc.com with Navicache.com, is there someplace where Navicache.com stats themselves are collected and reported?

Who has the most Navicache finds? Hides? From each state? Country? Are those stats published? I seem to remember talk of offering some services in the way of a leaderboard and recognition of high scorers, but if there's anything happening in that regard, I can't find it now.

Posted by lowracer on Aug. 20 2003,11:54 am
How about issuing a random "lid code" (similar to a travelbug activation number on that 'other' listing service) which a hider would receive once his cache was approved, then he'd write this code inside the lid of the cache, and a finder would have to supply this number along with their log in order to be able to log the find?  This would have the effect of making 'cheating' very much more difficult.  Not that I log online, mind you, just thinking out loud here.  :O


Posted by PC Medic on Aug. 20 2003,3:59 pm
The "cheating" part I mentioned is more a concern when folks first sign up. They could say they have xx number of hides/finds on another site when they actually had a lower number and thereby inflate their scores. Manual confirmation could be possible if registrations were in a slow pattern but a sudden rush and  :p
An automated system would be the best method but some folks just don't want to play together if you know what I mean.

Posted by PC Medic on Aug. 20 2003,4:07 pm
Quote (Scout @ Aug. 20 2003,1:47 pm)
Leaving aside the issue of combining hide/find stats from gc.com with Navicache.com, is there someplace where Navicache.com stats themselves are collected and reported?

Who has the most Navicache finds? Hides? From each state? Country? Are those stats published? I seem to remember talk of offering some services in the way of a leaderboard and recognition of high scorers, but if there's anything happening in that regard, I can't find it now.

With an important member of our team down for quite some time due to an accident, many things were delayed. The feature you refer to is somewhat done in that you can see evryones hide/find scores next to their names on thier cache pages or log entries to anothers cache. They also show in your MyNavicache Profile. As for a "Leader Board" type page, not yet, and actually can not remember off the top of my head if this was in the plans and I will have to look through them to see. But, it is certainly something that can be considered.

I am by the way happy to report our team member is back on his feet (well sometimes anyway  :grinnin  ) and that work has started again on many of the delayed projects as well as many new plans. Because of past issues, I will not go into details here.



Posted by Scout on Aug. 20 2003,4:17 pm
Quote (PC Medic @ Aug. 20 2003,5:07 pm)
As for a "Leader Board" type page, not yet, and actually can not remember off the top of my head if this was in the plans and I will have to look through them to see. But, it is certainly something that can be considered.

Great. I'm glad to hear the team is back at full strength.

The loss of Dan's stats page at insidercorner.com caused many geocachers on gc.com to feel a big void. Navicache needs its own "Dan's stats page" to keep that void at bay.

I suggest that, rather than implement a leaderboard page, first you implement some procedural interface to your database, so other geocachers with programming skills can access the data and provide services like a leaderboard to the rest of the Navicache community. This offloads one task from your shoulders and unleashes the inventive skills of a whole community.

Posted by PC Medic on Aug. 20 2003,7:17 pm
Quote (Scout @ Aug. 20 2003,6:17 pm)
Great. I'm glad to hear the team is back at full strength.

Well not quite FULL strength yet, but getting there.

In any case, this user interface type option is already something that we are looking at. GPX format for one with other suggestions/ideas welcome.

Posted by YardBoy on Sep. 06 2003,12:14 pm
Please excuse my "popping in", but I hope there's never a leaderboard.  I think of WheresGeorge.com losing the aura of to "where" a George travels and sadly leaning to HowManyGeorges.com, HowFastGeorge.com, etc.

To me, the "Navi" of NaviCache.com stands for navigating, not running, speeding, and tracking worn paths directly up to a cache.

Posted by PC Medic on Sep. 07 2003,6:09 am
Hey! How ya been?


Quote (YardBoy @ Sep. 06 2003,2:14 pm)
Please excuse my "popping in", but I hope there's never a leaderboard.  I think of WheresGeorge.com losing the aura of to "where" a George travels and sadly leaning to HowManyGeorges.com, HowFastGeorge.com, etc.

Well we certainly know who would win that one hands down!  :grinnin  #### you have to have about a million George;s out there by now!

Quote (Yardboy @ Sep. 06 2003,2:14 pm)
To me, the "Navi" of NaviCache.com stands for navigating, not running, speeding, and tracking worn paths directly up to a cache.


That it does. But at the same time there seems to be those that are interested in the "competitive" side of the sport to. I personally am not one, but we of course need to listen to and consider everyones suggestions and it seems the LeaderBoard feature has a growing group of supporters.



Posted by Greenback on Sep. 11 2003,9:32 pm
I'm actually checking out navicache.com because of all the fuss at GC over stats. For me the stats are one of the many facets that I enjoyed about geocaching and I feel there is an opportunity for someone to step up here. I for one would be happy to abandon my count on GC in favor of a site that offers the complete package of hunting and hiding caches and embraces those who are interested in the count.  I also enjoy hiding caches and having people find them; the count is just one more reason why caches are being hunted so to me it seems like a natural for the sport/game.
Posted by Scout on Sep. 12 2003,7:07 am
Quote (Greenback @ Sep. 11 2003,10:32 pm)
For me the stats are one of the many facets that I enjoyed about geocaching

Check out the "Leaderboard" thread in the "General Discussion" forum. Maybe it's time I updated the leaderboard. I have hopes that the site will pick this up and make it a standard feature.
Posted by woodsters on Sep. 17 2003,8:07 pm
Now what would be nice would be a central site that could collect the total find counts of players from different sites. Sort of like:

Woodster Outdoors
Navicache.com - 0
Geocaching.com - 61

Posted by Bloencustoms on Sep. 18 2003,5:19 pm
I like the idea of entering your find count when you join, if cachers can be trusted to be honest about finding caches, they can be trusted to be honest about their find count. Anyone who cares that much about someone else's find count is only a few clicks away from that person's profile on the other site.
On another note, there is a lot of heated arguing about stats on the other sites forums. I personally don't care for them, and would rather not participate. In other words, I don't need a stats page, and if there is one, I'd like my find count excluded from it.

Posted by T10X on Sep. 18 2003,7:54 pm
The numbers mean nothing to me,  caching is for fun, period. I am a very competitive person at any other activity, I always play to win. The "win" at this game is finding the cache, not who has the highest count.Now if you want to time me against you in finding a cache, let the games begin. T10X
Posted by TEAM 360 on Sep. 25 2003,3:50 pm
The reason I deleted all my online find logs over at the other site was so there was NO way to be tracked, no matter who mined the info from there. Now, someday there may be a site that pops up and lists data like:

GC.com finds:114
Navicache finds:1218
Total finds: 1332

That would be really cool, to have a centralized collection of all the caching boards, and whoever is able to do this would be running the undisputed worldwide stat board. I still won't be on it, because there are simply no online numbers for me. As it stands right now, anyone who logs a find online is FORCED to have a stat somewhere, and I am naturally against anything someone MAKES you do. I just like to keep my numbers to myself. That's just my own style.

Posted by TEAM 360 on Sep. 25 2003,3:52 pm
Quote (T10X @ Sep. 18 2003,6:54 pm)
The "win" at this game is finding the cache, not who has the highest count.

Exactly right.

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