Forum: Magellan GPS
Topic: Magellan software
started by: ChrisD

Posted by ChrisD on July 16 2002,12:11 pm
I've been itching to go the next level and add some software -namely the Magellan S&D or Topo.  Unfortunately, everything I've read is ultra negative on the quality of the data - old stuff from outdated gov't databases, missing critical POI's, etc.  Do any of you "insiders" have any scoops on whether the software will get a refresh any time soon?  Do I have alternatives for my Meridian?

Also, I'm not sure what side memory I should invest in.  If I want to include, say, detail on MA or perhaps "greater New England", how big should I go? 32? 64?

tnx,

Chris
Posted by Quinn on July 16 2002,8:53 pm
Chris,

I have the Topo software for Magellan and it seems fair though I am certain it could be much better. I think your best bet would be to direct an e-mail to Magellans tech support to see when the next version will be coming out that updates many of the missing poi's as well as nav-aids.

As far as the memory goes 32 megs will cover a pretty good chunk of property and is all i use myself with no problem.

Secure Digital memory bought at staples was the route I went for the Meridian line as it was fairly cheap and hands on fast. If you shop around there are some great deals hiding on ebay and other locations that just might put you into 64 megs for the price of 32. I would say the best bet would be ebay...just be sure to get secure digital. ;)
Posted by headmj on Aug. 05 2002,8:26 am
I like it.  I have been using the MapSend Topo with my Merigreen for about 2 months now and it has been worth every penny.  I have a 128 meg SD card that is way more memory than i need but I am sure I will find a use for it. :grinnin
Posted by Quinn on Aug. 05 2002,10:44 am
can never have enough memory nor maps...never know when the urge may strike to head to the other end of the country!  ;)
Posted by ChrisD on Aug. 06 2002,11:21 am
I'll give Magellan a shout.

I know I need something now, as I've discovered that the base map is not great.  I'm up on Sebago Lake in Maine and there's many small islands on it and one very big one - Frye Island.  Tracking reveals that my trips on the boat often go right over dry land!  I can see that there may be some error if I'm close to shore, but I'm out at least a 1/2 mile and it still has me tracking firmly on land.  Assuming that the satellites have me in the right place, I can only assume that the base map is wrong.  ??

I also found that a cool feature can be somewhat annoying. I used the Meridian  "save track to route" feature to capture one of my routes to a favorite beach.  This saves me from having to keep saving intermediate waypoints.  Problem is that the Meridian puts a ton of "TPxxx" waypoint labels on the display after I save it to a route.  From reading the docs, it looks like I can turn off waypoint display, but it does not discriminate track points vs. std waypoints, so it's all or nothing.  I'd like to see an option "display trackpoints?" on the "save track to route" menu.
Posted by phantom4099 on Aug. 15 2002,3:48 am
It seems like that the names of the route points still show up when navigating a route even if you have the others off. I find this a little annoying. Was'nt it at one time possible to not have any of the route points showing even when traveling a route?

Wyatt W.
Posted by bishopwae on Sep. 03 2002,10:49 am
Been using the TOPO! for about 6 months and it's been great.  Other than not being able to load up more than maps smaller than 8Mb.  
You have to remember that the maps that are in the software are drawn by humans and that means that they can have plenty of variance in quality.  I'm a GIS Specialist and I know that even critical application maps have plenty of room for error!
Also it depends on how your GPSr is acting that day and what sats you can see.
For my money the TOPO! software is the way to go for caching as it also gives you street info and the ability to do address searches from your Magellan.
Posted by ChrisD on Sep. 12 2002,8:19 am
Thanks for all the info.

What does it mean when other topo software (I just checked out National Geographic Topo) says it "supports" Magellan? How is that different from the Magellan Topo SW? What do I get from Magellan SW that I don't get from other SW (other than a higher price  :angry: )??

tnx,

Chris
Posted by GeoRockers on Sep. 13 2002,12:21 pm
Quote (bishopwae @ Sep. 03 2002,09:49 am)
Other than not being able to load up more than maps smaller than 8Mb.

8 MB was a limitation of the Map330.

If you have a Map330, you may consider switching to the 2 MB MeriGreen base map...  the benefit is 14 MB of memory for maps. :)

The 8 MB limit in the MapSend products can be raised with the addition(or modification) of the following line in the MAPSEND.INI file:

    Conv_Memory_Size=xxxxxxx

where xxxxxxx is the maximum region size, in bytes. :)

Meridian owners should set/change the value to the size of their largest MMC/SD card.

SporTrak owners should set/change the value to the amout of free memory available in their units.

George
Posted by GeoRockers on Sep. 13 2002,1:24 pm
Quote (ChrisD @ Sep. 12 2002,07:19 am)
What does it mean when other topo software (I just checked out National Geographic Topo) says it "supports" Magellan?

"Supports" Magellan means that it can read the NEMA output from the GPS and display your position on your computer... great for a laptop in a vehicle... but a little cumbersome during the cross country stage of caching...

BTW - one of my caches was found by a pair of new cachers... they used a DeLorme Earthmate GPS receiver attached to an IBM thinkpad laptop... which they carried over a hill, through the brush, in the dark, over a distance of a mile... :p

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How is that different from the Magellan Topo SW? What do I get from Magellan SW that I don't get from other SW (other than a higher price  :angry: )??


The main advantage is the ability to upload the topo data into your GPS (requires MMC/SD card in the Meridians) for display on your GPS.

It's more convient than carrying a laptop! :D

George
Posted by Cracker7M on Sep. 16 2002,10:55 pm
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Other than not being able to load up more than maps smaller than 8Mb.

8 MB was a limitation of the Map330.

If you have a Map330, you may consider switching to the 2 MB MeriGreen base map...  the benefit is 14 MB of memory for maps. :)

The 8 MB limit in the MapSend products can be raised with the addition(or modification) of the following line in the MAPSEND.INI file:

    Conv_Memory_Size=xxxxxxx

where xxxxxxx is the maximum region size, in bytes. :)

Meridian owners should set/change the value to the size of their largest MMC/SD card.

SporTrak owners should set/change the value to the amout of free memory available in their units.

George

George,
Could you elaborate just a little? So are you saying if I have a 330, I can change the XXXXXXX value to the equivalent of 14MB?

And how do you select/change the basemap?

Sorry for being such a clueless NEWB! :grinnin

Thanx
Art


Posted by Cracker7M on Sep. 18 2002,12:01 am
Nevermind! I figured it out! Thanx!  :D
Posted by ChrisD on Sep. 23 2002,6:56 am
Ok, I went for it.  Bought Topo, memory (64) and a reader/writer.  Everything went well except for...

Creating the .img file takes forever on my 900MHz system.  A 32MB image took over 2 hours to create (it was at 90% at two hours before I stopped looking).

Fortunately, one can get this process started and go do something productive.

I had no problems after "tweaking" the .ini file for my memory card.

The documentation is terrible and dated.  Some of the fixes are in V3.12, but the errata does not mention this. I cannot save directly to the SD writer.  You have to let the process fail and then find the file and manually copy it to the writer.

Chris


Posted by TundraVet on Oct. 19 2002,4:50 pm
Quote (Quinn @ July 16 2002,10:53 pm)
Chris,

I have the Topo software for Magellan and it seems fair though I am certain it could be much better. I think your best bet would be to direct an e-mail to Magellans tech support to see when the next version will be coming out that updates many of the missing poi's as well as nav-aids.

As far as the memory goes 32 megs will cover a pretty good chunk of property and is all i use myself with no problem.

Secure Digital memory bought at staples was the route I went for the Meridian line as it was fairly cheap and hands on fast. If you shop around there are some great deals hiding on ebay and other locations that just might put you into 64 megs for the price of 32. I would say the best bet would be ebay...just be sure to get secure digital. ;)

I also bought the MapSend TOPO to go with my SporTrak Pro.  The accuracy is lame.  I use it for upland bird hunting and find roads simply drawn in as straight lines or non existant when there should be one on the map.  Called Magellan tech support and complained--got the 'data is expensive' excuse and was also told they are updating TOPO Q1'03.  They were willing to take my software back (via the retailer) but I got the $50 rebate so actual cost was only $40--probably worth it.  I asked if current owners would be offered an upgrade price--undetermined.  Suggest that MapSend TOPO owners call techsupport and make a similar request.

Oh, the SporTrak Pro is great.  Tried a friends Garmin 12XL in the woods and it was continually dropping sats.  This didn't occur once with the ST Pro dispite being in stuff so thick I could hardly walk through it.
Posted by Quinn on Oct. 19 2002,6:14 pm
I agree with you. i think that people that put out software and call it as such should also back it up with at least a certain quality as to make the buyer happy.

I also agree with you that the SporTrak is very receptive in severe conditions compared to other units.  ;)
Posted by Cracker7M on Oct. 20 2002,6:43 am
Not to downplay the Sportrak at all, but I have been comparing my two M330's with my new Sportrak Map, and the 330's seem to receive as well as, if not slightly better than my Sportrak...... :D
Posted by njload on Jan. 04 2003,1:17 pm
If you have MapSend Topo in the United States software, do you need MapSend Streets & Destinations software? What is the difference?

Thanks
Posted by Quinn on Jan. 04 2003,6:41 pm
Just that...

The topo software is designed to show you land scales and climbs, which is more-so for the hiker and outsoorsman, the streets will draw you basic maps of arera roads as well as area "to do's and where to do's"  :)

Best thing to do is to visit the Magellan website and compare the features of each of the softwares. There are quite a few people that use them both but I myself like the topo better but wish they would update the maps.
Posted by victorjwood on May 22 2003,5:40 pm
Quote (Quinn @ July 17 2002,02:53 am)
...just be sure to get secure digital. ;)

Why do you say make sure its SD? I use a MMC (not SD) without problems.

Victor
Posted by Quinn on May 22 2003,8:21 pm
Most people that are new to GPS and then memory upgrades have a hard time telling the difference in slot size. The best way to keep them on the right path is to show them the easiest route. SD is best known for this format when explaining it to someone just getting their feet wet  ;)
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