Forum: Garmin GPS
Topic: Garmin V
started by: Quinn

Posted by Quinn on Jan. 16 2002,6:50 pm
I got the Garmin V today to kick the tires and check out the chrome a bit. I like the unit and all the bells and whistles it came with such as 19 megs of memory and also WAAS, what a nice addition to the IIIPlus. The only thing so far that I do not like about this would be the loading of map Information that comes with the unit on the Mapsource "City Select" cd.
You have to enter the units serial number and also the coupon code that comes with the enclosed CD in order to unlock the maps contained on the cd. The downfall to this which got me right off the bat is that you can only unlock 1 section of maps from the CD, to unlock other sections you need to buy them online. Now why is this a big deal? I live in Rochester, NY and the cutoff for the section I picked is between Syracuse and Rochester, this means in order for me to visit the Syracuse area I would have to buy that section of mapping. Garmin dropped the ball on this as they should have made the mapping in complete states instead of cutting them in half. The section I chose (Section 5) covers Rochester to Buffalo and all the way down to Virginia which is nice when I visit my brother on the beach. i'll let you know my total thoughts on this in a few, gimme some time to look it over and beat on it some :)
Posted by mikechim on Jan. 16 2002,10:56 pm
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I got the Garmin V today to kick the tires and check out the chrome a bit. I like the unit and all the bells and whistles it came with such as 19 megs of memory and also WAAS, what a nice addition to the IIIPlus. The only thing so far that I do not like about this would be the loading of map Information that comes with the unit on the Mapsource "City Select" cd.
You have to enter the units serial number and also the coupon code that comes with the enclosed CD in order to unlock the maps contained on the cd. The downfall to this which got me right off the bat is that you can only unlock 1 section of maps from the CD, to unlock other sections you need to buy them online. Now why is this a big deal? I live in Rochester, NY and the cutoff for the section I picked is between Syracuse and Rochester, this means in order for me to visit the Syracuse area I would have to buy that section of mapping. Garmin dropped the ball on this as they should have made the mapping in complete states instead of cutting them in half. The section I chose (Section 5) covers Rochester to Buffalo and all the way down to Virginia which is nice when I visit my brother on the beach. i'll let you know my total thoughts on this in a few, gimme some time to look it over and beat on it some :)

Couple questions Quinn:

You still have turn by turn directions for all the cities already on the unit right?  I mean if I was traveling the country with it and wanted turn by turn directions (because I have  no sense of direction in large cities) I wouldn't have to pay a bunch extra to open that option right?  The CD is just for additional info and points of interest or am I wrong on this?
If I'm wrong that takes away the big advantage of the unit, who needs turn by turn base directions in their own hometown?

Do you think it's worth the money, or is it overpriced since it's new.  If it is overpriced how much is it worth?

Thanks
Posted by Quinn on Jan. 17 2002,5:40 am
No...the unit out of the box comes with no maps installed. You pick the map section in your area which covers several states and then unlock those maps with a code on the Garmin website. You only get one section to unlock and would have to buy others if you wanted them. I think the unit is well worth the price they ask and seems to do a great job of providing accurate turn for turn info, but in my case it hurt a bit because it cuts my state in half making me buy another code to unlock the other section. Your area is in a complete coverage section so you would be fine with your first code.
This is the IIIPlus with man many more toys added as well as WAAS...Gimpy! can you picture the IIIPlus with WAAS? :grinnin
Posted by Morseman on Jan. 17 2002,5:17 pm
Quote (Quinn @ Jan. 17 2002,12:40 pm)
No...the unit out of the box comes with no maps installed. You pick the map section in your area which covers several states and then unlock those maps with a code on the Garmin website. You only get one section to unlock and would have to buy others if you wanted them. I think the unit is well worth the price they ask and seems to do a great job of providing accurate turn for turn info, but in my case it hurt a bit because it cuts my state in half making me buy another code to unlock the other section. Your area is in a complete coverage section so you would be fine with your first code.
This is the IIIPlus with man many more toys added as well as WAAS...Gimpy! can you picture the IIIPlus with WAAS? :grinnin

I think you just answered several questions I had about upgrading from my (3 month old, only) GPSIII+.

I'm in the UK, not the USA - Strike off that requirement for WASS, it doesn't apply over here.

I use United Kingdom MapSource CD-ROM, which came with the GPSIII+.  Now, turn by turn would be nice, but does the V support it unless you enter a path for the UK (or Europe)?

Despite what you may hear, some of us are actually quite European in the UK.  I've travelled and worked in a few Eu countries.

Disregard the UK Government, and the Colonel Blimps, who I have to live in the same country as, I'm happy to work and travel in Europe.  So, the question is, when is there going to be a pan-European CD-ROM similar to the Pan-USA one, please?

Never mind the unlock codes...
Posted by Choberiba on Jan. 17 2002,5:58 pm
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[quote] Never mind the unlock codes...

I don't own a V, and about the closest I can come in hands on experience was the Vista I had for a few weeks. (It grew legs)

I like the idea of pay-as-you-go software, especially for something like maps.

I think the basic software should be included with any mapping unit. One downloadable area should be free.

If we make this a state-by-state theme, than RI and TX would either be at completely different levels of detail or those RI people would be getting ripped off.

I suggest (since they undoubtably have experts lurking here) they sell this information by the square kilometer. Say a penny (USD) per unit.

Route options where you get one K on each side of the entire trip would be entirely cool, but I'm not sure if this could be easily implemented.

I bought the Mapsource Topo CDs for the Vista and promptly loaded all the areas I was likeley to travel.

This ate up about 16MB of RAM.

Were I to pay for each (additional) chunk, I would have loaded a lot less area (San Diego, Las Vegas, Mt. Shasta, and the Bay Area were all stuffed into that 16MB)

Hopefully the detail would have been better and the East Bay (of Northern California) would have eaten 8 MB all by it's loansome.

Oh, and some of you already may know but i'll post it anyway.
At noon on Saturday the 26th of January a bunch of  geocachers will be meeting here:

37° 30.73467
121° 49.595796
Posted by Gimpy on Jan. 18 2002,1:06 am
I gave the V some real serious thought, knowing how much I like the III Plus, & knowing I was going to spend about that much anyway. Also thought about one of the Meridians, but I've got all this garmin stuff. Mapping software, external antenna, pc interface cables,etc. But for my needs I wanted more memory than the V had to offer. I got the eMap with a 64mb data card. Heading to Florida for a week in March & up to Mass., Vermont, Maine etc. for 2 weeks in July. Got a place rented on the ocean in Cape Cod for 1 week & then moving around another week. Wanted to load a whole bunch of maps, mainly Metroguide. 64 mb. of Metroguide gave me 1/2 of PA., all of NY, Mass.,RI, Vermont, CT. & Maine. Didn't want to sit through downloading areas that large, so got the usb data card programmer. Loaded & verified the whole 63.4 mb of maps in 3.5 minutes. If I want any Topos for up there, I can either pick up another 16 or 32 mb. card & load it with topos or just load up the Vista or MAP76. Not real crazy about the case design of the eMap, seems pretty fragile, but I got the Ram mount for it & it probably won't be used much other than on the dash of the van. With the vans radio antenna being built into the windshield, an external antenna was necessary for whatever unit I purchased, so my garmin ga27c works great with the eMap. The main thing I wanted was the ability to access info on stuff like points of interest, restaurants & stuff like than when in unfamiliar territory. So in theory, I should be all set. At least I hope so. And please, don't even ask. The wife already did. She's waiting for me to come home with a laptop. ???
Posted by Rocky on Jan. 18 2002,8:05 pm
Jez Gimpy, who put these ideas in your head, go out and buy all this new stuff?
Posted by Quinn on Jan. 18 2002,8:31 pm
What I like is the fact that this unit seems to be very accurate for turn to turn. I plotted an address that was on a hair-pin street and the GPS told me to make a u-turn into the parking lot which was correct. I hooked it up to my laptop and I can see the view screen of my vehicle on the  computer moving. Not bad at all! :D  Now I just need to see how it handles off road. :p
Posted by mikechim on Jan. 19 2002,10:55 pm
Quote (Quinn @ Jan. 17 2002,07:40 am)
No...the unit out of the box comes with no maps installed. You pick the map section in your area which covers several states and then unlock those maps with a code on the Garmin website. You only get one section to unlock and would have to buy others if you wanted them.

Dang that's pretty discouraging, I need it for the entire US.... how much is it per section to unlock?  Ahh well, how does it do offroad, does it grab satellites any better then the III+?
Posted by Quinn on Jan. 19 2002,11:55 pm
I checked out the Garmin website and you buy the remaining sections complete with Canada included for 116.00. Not bad for the entire country as well as the north. As far as grabbing sats you need to remember that this unit is the IIIPlus with the exception of much more memory as well as WAAS being added. Right now I am sitting in my computer room with the unit turned on and already have 4 very good signal sats, and this is in the house. For areas that WAAS would make a differance I would say reception wise this unit would be much better than the IIIPlus, but in those areas that WAAS just hasn't cut it yet it would be the same. As for off road it is just as good as the IIIPlus not to mention you can add that much more Topo maps due to the added 19 megs of storage space. I remember several months back saying that the IIIPlus would be one of the ultimate Geocaching units of all time if it had more memory, WAAS and a compass. Well they are getting as close as you can get, slap a compass on this puppy and thats all she wrote!
For being able to locate caches in a city you are not street savvey with, this would be the way to go. I still love my Magellan gold and will take it in the field with me. Pretty soon I will start looking like Gimpy with GPSR's hanging all over me  :grinnin


Posted by Rocky on Jan. 24 2002,7:56 am
Just ordered my V, looking real hard at the all area unlock for $85.00.  I think when you go this far might as well give her good reason to chase me with the frying pan.
Posted by Quinn on Jan. 24 2002,5:37 pm
LOL!....I agree Rocky. Where did you find the complete code for 85.00? I thought it was like 116.00 or something close to that. ???
Posted by Rocky on Jan. 25 2002,6:24 am
The all region unlock cert. for the Garmin GPS V can be purchased for $85.00 from www.gpsworldsupply.com, shipping is about $5.00.  I can't wait for my V, everything I have read is so positive. I am going to have a hard time getting down to only 4 or 5 GPSR's. However with all of the features that the V has it is going to be hard to justify keeping the rest of them.
Posted by mikechim on Jan. 25 2002,12:58 pm
Hmmm $85 doesn't seem as bad.....hmmm..... I'm considering it, not sure if that's a good or bad thing, basically I don't NEED it but hey what you gonna do.  Has anyone taken it out enough to say how durable it is, I have a bad habbit of falling on my Venture, could the V hold up to that kind of abuse?
Posted by Quinn on Jan. 25 2002,2:11 pm
The casing and internal workings of the "V" are the exact same as the Garmin IIIPlus. I have owned the IIIPlus for close to two years now and it has never let me down. The size of these units is very compact and sturdy. I have more than once taken a good spill with mine and it is never any worse for wear. The reception of the IIIPlus as well as the "V" are awsome at it's least. The big upgrade for the "V" would be the nice adition of WAAS and 19 megs of memory. These units also will take an external power antenna , not that you will need it. I have tested it over and over on the road to see just how accurate this turn for turn feature is, and not once was in wrong!
You want to know something else cool about this unit? It comes with the game "Pong" included! :grinnin
If you decide to buy one try looking into advancedgps.com or use the link to her site on my main page. She has great prices and no shipping charges. BUT! if you find this unit at a lower price elsewheres I would of course say buy it there, but contact KIm first and I am sure she will meet the price you find. Use the link on the main page as all purchases made as a result get Navicache a referrer fee which goes right back into the website.
Posted by mikechim on Jan. 25 2002,8:47 pm
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The casing and internal workings of the "V" are the exact same as the Garmin IIIPlus. I have owned the IIIPlus for close to two years now and it has never let me down. The size of these units is very compact and sturdy. I have more than once taken a good spill with mine and it is never any worse for wear. The reception of the IIIPlus as well as the "V" are awsome at it's least. The big upgrade for the "V" would be the nice adition of WAAS and 19 megs of memory. These units also will take an external power antenna , not that you will need it. I have tested it over and over on the road to see just how accurate this turn for turn feature is, and not once was in wrong!
You want to know something else cool about this unit? It comes with the game "Pong" included! :grinnin
If you decide to buy one try looking into advancedgps.com or use the link to her site on my main page. She has great prices and no shipping charges. BUT! if you find this unit at a lower price elsewheres I would of course say buy it there, but contact KIm first and I am sure she will meet the price you find. Use the link on the main page as all purchases made as a result get Navicache a referrer fee which goes right back into the website.

Thanks for the info, I'm almost definately going to get another GPS (got the venture right now) I just can't make up my mind if it will be the IIIplus or the V.  As much as I would like to help out Navicache, I doubt she'll be able to match the price I can get (I can order them below cost from work  :) ).  With that being said there isn't really that much of a markup on GPS's I was shocked, and her prices are truly amazing :^: they are extremely close to cost.  Turn by turn would be nice though, but PONG just may be the clincher  
Posted by Rocky on Jan. 25 2002,9:02 pm
Quinn is correct, Advanced has as good a price as can be found.  I looked hard for 2 weeks. Some are in the same area, many others are higher, I know Advanced has gone out of their way for Navicache members, including me.
Posted by Gimpy on Jan. 31 2002,4:05 am
Kim at advanced has a price on the all region unlock code of $92.50. Not bad considering when purchased with the V, the shipping is free. Price on the combo was very good. Can't wait till it gets here. Anybody want a heck of a deal on a III Plus and/or a Vista. :grinnin . I'll never live it down here if I keep all 5 of em'. ???
Posted by Quinn on Jan. 31 2002,5:31 am
:grinnin  Yup...it was just a matter of time before Gimpy got one. I knew if I threw the line in the water and sat tight that the Gimpy fish would slowly swim in and nibble on the bait, took a bit of time but then he lunged for it and was hook!  :grinnin  now reeling him in is the easy part.
I say keep all of your GPSR's...after all what will you do if the first 28 run out of battery life in the field. :grinnin
Posted by Gimpy on Jan. 31 2002,12:05 pm
Got to give a little credit to Joe Mehaffey & Jack Yeazel, too. Temptation was too great. It's a sickness, ya know. :grinnin . I've already got 2.6 gig. of mapping stuff loaded on my main hard drive. Whats another 1/2 gig. or so.  :^:
Posted by Gimpy on Feb. 01 2002,1:59 am
mikechim. To answer your question about maps.The V comes with a base map that contains all of the major federal and state highways of the US & Canada. And you can perform autorouting on just the basemap. A nice feature is that map sections that you need don't have to be contiguous. So, as stated on the Mehaffey/Yeazel review web page, if you were heading from Atlanta to Denver, you could just load (or purchase codes for), maps for those 2 cities & punch in your destinations address. Then when you have it autoroute, it'll give you precise directions to get out of the city, route on the basemap between the 2 cities, then give you detailed directions to your destination when you reach the other city. Saves money on purchasing codes & saves a lot of your memory because the basemap is not part of the 19 mb. capacity. Really a nice system. If you'd like to read the whole review, go here. < http://www.gpsinformation.net/gps5/g5review.htm >  
I also like the fact that Garmin has included Canada this time around. As always, Kim at advancedgps was fantastic with my purchase. Can't wait to play. :grinnin
Posted by Gimpy on Feb. 02 2002,1:50 am
Right you were,Quinn. Been out playing with the V, and it's a fantastic unit. Glad I went the extra yard & got the unlock certs. for the whole US & Canada. Very nice. There's some areas where Metroguide has better coverage than City Select, but 19 mb. allows for both being loaded for a good sized area. Has anyone checked out the MAP76S yet? I wondered how long it would take before they came out with a larger established unit with the features of the Vista. Pretty pricey. If you have not checked it out yet, go here.
< http://tvnav.com/76s.html >
Posted by Quinn on Feb. 02 2002,3:47 am
I was looking at the stats on the new 76 model. Pretty nice but I don't think you should be looking at anymore GPSR's for a while because if you do i think your wife will start looking at guns. :p  I have not used the metroguide software before and have heard good as well as bad things about it as far as not having some streets within it's data, but then again I think this goes both ways for both types of software.
Posted by Gimpy on Feb. 02 2002,4:23 am
Excellent point, Quinn. I'm done looking at units for a while. Did you get rid of your MAP76? I can't decide which unit/units to get rid of. I like the 64 mb. eMap & of course, the V. Thinking about getting rid of the III Plus & the Vista. Not sure about the MAP76. I like the MAP76 loaded with topos for heading into the woods after caches. But I hate to part with the III Plus. It's been my favorite, till the V. Not a whole lot of sense in keeping them all. ???
Posted by Quinn on Feb. 02 2002,5:17 am
snif-snif :(  yup...the map76 headed down the road and has a new owner. Out of all the ones I had that was the one I thought was least receptive as a stand alone so I parted ways with it. I still have my IIIPlus as that is what I first started with and consider it a luck piece I guess.
Posted by mikechim on Feb. 02 2002,12:40 pm
Quote (Gimpy @ Feb. 01 2002,03:59 am)
mikechim. To answer your question about maps.The V comes with a base map that contains all of the major federal and state highways of the US & Canada. And you can perform autorouting on just the basemap. A nice feature is that map sections that you need don't have to be contiguous. So, as stated on the Mehaffey/Yeazel review web page, if you were heading from Atlanta to Denver, you could just load (or purchase codes for), maps for those 2 cities & punch in your destinations address. Then when you have it autoroute, it'll give you precise directions to get out of the city, route on the basemap between the 2 cities, then give you detailed directions to your destination when you reach the other city. Saves money on purchasing codes & saves a lot of your memory because the basemap is not part of the 19 mb. capacity. Really a nice system. If you'd like to read the whole review, go here. < http://www.gpsinformation.net/gps5/g5review.htm >  
I also like the fact that Garmin has included Canada this time around. As always, Kim at advancedgps was fantastic with my purchase. Can't wait to play. :grinnin

Dang it Gimpy!!! Now I'm seriously considering it again  :) Thanks for the info that does make a difference.  If you want to sell that IIIplus I'm a rich rich... ok I'm lying I broke  :) Maybe spring time will be the time to get a new GPS
Posted by Quinn on Feb. 07 2002,8:20 pm
I finally got my unlock code for all the sections  contained within city select. I was able to load the complete NY State into the unit without any problems other than it took 45 minutes to load. I have yet to have any problems with the unit giving me the wrong turns or directions. First time I have not needed a map in 15 years. This will come in handy when I decide to drive down to VA Beach to do some caching with the brother.
Posted by Choberiba on Feb. 10 2002,10:33 pm
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Anybody want a heck of a deal on a III Plus ???


Gimpy - Have you sold the III+ yet?
Posted by Gimpy on Feb. 12 2002,2:26 am
Hey, Choberiba. Still got it. Undecided if I can part with the old girl. Looking for one? ???
Posted by Choberiba on Feb. 13 2002,2:29 am
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Looking for one? ???

Well, my Venture works okay for most things but I'd like something that can hold the signal a little better.

I use my notebook computer when I drive, so my mapping needs are minimal.

If you do decide to sell hideseek@cachestash.com is the quickest way to get a hold of me outside of dialing 510-543-8836 (cell)

No pressure, I'm not trying to steal your baby away.
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