Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Why so negative about GC.cm?
started by: Roamer

Posted by Roamer on Nov. 30 2004,7:10 am
I have been at Geocaching.com for some time and never see any negative discussion about this site. Every forum I have looked at here is full of comments about GC.com. You guys need to get over it and do your own thing without complaining about GC.com. If you don't like it there, don't go there. If the majority of cachers are unhappy there they will bail out and come here. I think there is room for everybody, but I don't like negative advertising in anything. If you can't sell your product on it's own merits it will probably fail.
Posted by Broncoholics on Nov. 30 2004,7:30 am
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I have been at Geocaching.com for some time and never see any negative discussion about this site.

< that other site >
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You guys need to get over it and do your own thing without complaining about GC.com


The Navicache team never says anything bad about G.C.  It's other members that usually have something to say. :wave

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If you don't like it there, don't go there.


I couldn't agree more. :grinnin

Duane

Posted by PC Medic on Nov. 30 2004,8:21 am
First, I moved this from 'Site Suggestions' to General Discussion' as it was off topic in the other forum.

I will assume no search was done on GC.com prior to your post or plenty negative could have been found. Then there is the fact that until recently any posts with mention of Naviccahe.com were censored and removed. Or the threats of lawsuits from them in the early days of the sport against Navicache.com, Buxley's and others.

Do I still visit that site, sure do! I hate the frogs politics but still like to keep up with some of the conversations in their forum.

With all that said, there are more than enough threads here (and elsewhere) pertaining to others feelings about THAT other site, so lets not get another started and instead search the forums and post to one that already exists.
Posted by Roamer on Nov. 30 2004,9:50 am
No I didn't search GC.com for any mention of your site, I said I hadn't seen any negativism about you over there, and being new to the sport I have done a lot of reading at all the sites I could find.
And when you tell me what kind of post I can make, in response to my first posting, looks like they aren't the only ones to practice censorship.
By the way thanks for the warm welcome to your site.

Posted by Scout on Nov. 30 2004,10:08 am
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No I didn't search GC.com for any mention of your site, I said I hadn't seen any negativism about you over there, and being new to the sport I have done a lot of reading at all the sites I could find.
And when you tell me what kind of post I can make, in response to my first posting, looks like they aren't the only ones to practice censorship.
By the way thanks for the warm welcome to your site.

Plenty of negative comments about Navicache have been posted to the gc.com forums.

For a long time, nothing about Navicache appeared in the gc.com forums, except when it slipped through in code, because gc.com had automatic filters in place trapping any posts with the word Navicache in them.

PC Medic's advice is just that. You are free to take it or ignore it. When he locks this thread or deletes your post, that will be censorship.

Welcome to Navicache! :-)



Posted by PC Medic on Nov. 30 2004,10:34 am
Quote (Roamer @ Nov. 30 2004,11:50 am)
No I didn't search GC.com for any mention of your site, I said I hadn't seen any negativism about you over there, and being new to the sport I have done a lot of reading at all the sites I could find.


Take a look some time and you will probably find the answer.

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And when you tell me what kind of post I can make, in response to my first posting, looks like they aren't the only ones to practice censorship.
By the way thanks for the warm welcome to your site.



Now first let me say that no one (including my response) ever told you "what kind of post you can make". Only thing that was said was that I moved the post to a more appropriate forum as where you placed it was OFF TOPIC. The entire post was left intact so no censorship here.  I also suggested that if this topic were to be discussed perhaps one of the existing threads on the same subject would be a better place, again not censoring just trying to help in keeping things neat and tidy for all to find.

By the way, welcome to Navicache  :wave

Posted by Icenians on Nov. 30 2004,11:52 pm
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No I didn't search GC.com for any mention of your site, I said I hadn't seen any negativism about you over there, and being new to the sport I have done a lot of reading at all the sites I could find.
And when you tell me what kind of post I can make, in response to my first posting, looks like they aren't the only ones to practice censorship.
By the way thanks for the warm welcome to your site.

Perhaps if your looking for a warm welcome, entering the room with 'You guys need to get over it and do your own thing without complaining about GC.com. If you don't like it there, don't go there' is perhaps not the best approach. :nono

As others have said have another look for negativity before storming in with such comments.

Welcome by the way.  :D

Posted by welch on Dec. 01 2004,9:03 pm
Quote (Roamer @ Nov. 30 2004,8:10 am)
I have been at Geocaching.com for some time and never see any negative discussion about this site. Every forum I have looked at here is full of comments about GC.com. You guys need to get over it and do your own thing without complaining about GC.com. If you don't like it there, don't go there. If the majority of cachers are unhappy there they will bail out and come here. I think there is room for everybody, but I don't like negative advertising in anything. If you can't sell your product on it's own merits it will probably fail.

wow!
I mean WOW....
Site users everywhere go off from time to time, but I think if you go and search the forums at gc.com you will find many more 'navicache is worthless' posts there, than 'geocaching.com is stupid' posts here.

Posted by TEAM 360 on Dec. 14 2004,6:11 pm
Choice is good. I like the freedom of the forums here!
Posted by Hoosier Locators on Dec. 14 2005,1:18 pm
Today is my first day at Navicache,I've been having some problems with the reviewers in GC,if you are not in the so-called "click",they make up policies that don't even exist to deny your cache,but they let their long time geocaching friend's caches that tetters "pushing the envolope through"within the guidlines.I've had this happen to me twice now in the last year,trust me it really steams me ! :angry:  ,I am a premium member over there and plan on staying over there.I don't want to go into the details,but I want to start getting some caches hidden near my home for my new fellow navicache brotherns to find  :wave  ,I'd be willing to bet ,there are probaly several GC members or former members here now will back me up on this ! :thumbs-up
Posted by whiteurkel on Dec. 20 2005,9:06 am
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Today is my first day at Navicache,I've been having some problems with the reviewers in GC,if you are not in the so-called "click",they make up policies that don't even exist to deny your cache,but they let their long time geocaching friend's caches that tetters "pushing the envolope through"within the guidlines.I've had this happen to me twice now in the last year,trust me it really steams me ! :angry:

OK, I think I know what's up here. It looks like many of your recent Navicache listings are "Cemetery Caches".  Up until early 2005, there was no problem with any cemetery cache anywhere. But then The South Carolina State Legislature decided to take up legislation banning geocaches in cemeteries (and historical and archeological sites). In May 2005

It's very politically incorrect to give the real reason for this, but here goes; Some guy who was a recent out of State transplant to S.C. (From Washington I belive) put out a series of 25+ cemetery caches. The vast majority of them were all-black cemeteries, and all the predominantly (probably exlusively) caucasion geocachers poking around in them threw up a red flag almost instantly. The sponsor of the legislation really did their homework, finding dozens of logs statewide about people doing cemetery caches at night after posted hours, log pics of people being disrespectful, etc...  

I had to go into that long explanation because it's been over 6 months, and all the newspaper story links are generally dead  :p  But on to your problem; Yes, there is no official policy on gc.com. Not unlike the "unofficial ban" on virtual caches that was in place almost 2 years, the decision lies on the subjective opinion of the cache reviewer. And I'm sure there is a "Click" as you say :p

Here is a link to a sensible geocaching.com reviewer's personal webpage, and their thoughts on the matter.
< http://home.earthlink.net/~electricmouse2/id4.html >
I know my approver is demanding proof of permission for any Cemetery cache.

It looks like you eventually got most of them listed on the other side.

Posted by PC Medic on Dec. 20 2005,8:08 pm
First...Welcome Hoosier Locators  :wave

While we do our best to leave the evolution of geocaching to the players themselve's by approving most cache listing submissions, even we have denied a few.

Generally however we have found that most involved have the common sense not to bury a cache, place it on private property without permission, etc. and have not seen many issues. When we do, of course we deal with them appropriately.

Whiteurkel also brings up a good example of some of the issues that can arise for geocachers. Some legitimate, some a result of over-reaction, and some simply due to misunderstandings.

We do not have a 'blanket' policy on where caches can be located and leave it to the cache owner to get approval when required to place in a particular area. We also have no 'blanket' guidline for any particular type of cache listing. After all this is a world-wide sport and different areas find some things acceptable that others may not. I for one have seen some very tasteful and interesting cemetary caches. Yours (by description and location) seemed fine and were approved.

Posted by whiteurkel on Dec. 22 2005,11:12 am
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We do not have a 'blanket' policy on where caches can be located and leave it to the cache owner to get approval when required to place in a particular area. We also have no 'blanket' guidline for any particular type of cache listing. After all this is a world-wide sport and different areas find some things acceptable that others may not. I for one have seen some very tasteful and interesting cemetary caches. Yours (by description and location) seemed fine and were approved.

Yeah, I have done two cemetery caches withing the last month that required you to basically step on top of a headstone, which I didn't care for. Another on the same caching run was on a civil war cannon in a cemetery. Obviously cemetery caches can be very interesting (especially of the offset type), and tastefully placed.
Posted by GPS Outdoors on May 01 2010,6:43 am
I know this is an OLD topic, but I had wanted to mention to the community something that involved GC.com, Terra and us....

I noticed that there is a lack of caches from Navicache and Terracache around my area (Western NC).  Now let me start by saying that this is NOT a BAD thing.  I'm all about quality vs quantity (my personal GC account has only 55 finds in 3 years... I'm picky).

In and around my "home" city of Asheville, NC it's very difficult to even open the map from GC as it's so overloaded with caches of that site (I don't want to use the term "junk caches" as there are some trully well devised hides and multi's).

As an outdoor ministry that's presently working with a youth group to get them interested in cahcing, we'll be using all three cache-hunt sites... GC.com for the shear quantity and ease of many finds for kids, Terra and Navi for the more advanced.  Again, GC has some pretty advanced caches, it's just difficult to wade through the P&G's to find them.

I guess what I'm saying is that all three have their place.  None is better than the other... they're all just different.  I've met (vitrually) many members of GC through their caches and you can tell the love of the sport by how interesting they make your experience.  I've shyed away from those that "carpet bomb" an area but actively hunt those that make me work for a find (Ozguff and Tazclimber are trully devious in my area).

Anyhow... the idea of the game is to have fun, no matter what search engine you use.  The game is what you make of it, right?

As for the caches placed by GpsOutdoors... have your hiking boots handy and get yourself some kind of scripture search tool (I heard that there's a really cool book out there thats been in print for years   ??? ) as you'll need it to find our multies.

Happy caching (whatever search engine you use)



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