Forum: General Discussion
Topic: A Controversial topic?
started by: Volvo Man
Posted by Volvo Man on Nov. 14 2003,4:33 pmAnyone got an idea for a controversial topic??
Everyone's so nice to each other here, I don't think I can stand it, what with GC.com's forums tripping over and landing flat on their faces, I'm not getting my daily dose of negativity and snobbery!!
In all seriousness though, these forums are so far as I've seen a polite and welcoming place to discuss geocaching. full points for the real geocaching COMMUNITY. Its worthy of note that when one describes a community, nobody thinks of huge city with hundreds of thousands of residents, but instantly springs to mind a small town where everyone is nice to each other and gets along.
Whilst I hope that navicache expands and continues to develop, I also hope that it doesn't become a huge connurbation where community spirit gets lost (despite the GPS)
having said all that, anyone got a controversy to talk about? i feel the need for huge lengthy posts, eloquently putting my beliefs accross, if only to see how nice it is to receive eloquent relevant replies
Posted by Quinn on Nov. 14 2003,5:28 pmI have often wondered myself why as of yet we have not come across any members i the forums who wish to do nothing more than to try and get under anothers skin. I am not sure if it's luck or what not!
Anyways...I guess I should just be Thankful that everyone here has been kind. I like to try and keep up on the new members and to think of them as friends. Just about all the people that have come in the forums to date have only done so to try and be helpful to others or to just try and make a new geocaching friend here and there.
I don't think we will have any problems though from time to time I do love those heated debates and topics.
So...it's a controversy you want huh? well then, how bout them Buffalo bills!!
Posted by bodolad on Nov. 14 2003,6:31 pmOK, I'll bite with controversy.
The 1st post mentioned the geocaching 'community'.
I've got to admit I've never partaken of any scheduled
picnics or events with local cachers, but I'll assume
THOSE people are nice & fairly normal and make for a nice community.
But it seems to me that most people engage in this sport
on a solitary basis, as do I, and there are a lot of CHEAP
people out there who leave total trash in the caches.
UPC symbols from cigarrettes....broken toys....did these
people REALLY bring these items from home with the idea
of trading them for a Geocoin, or what?
I'm thinking there are alot of very cheap-minded people
who geocache for the thrill of 'getting something for nothing'
and I wouldn't want a lot of these people to do repairs on my car....that's for sure.
I don't spend much on what I trade, but the items are new,
or unique, or otherwise meant to bring a sense of discovery
when you open the cache.
Anyway, I could ramble on & on...and since I mostly cache
alone.....I worry that I'm no better than those I'm whining about.
Ok....I'm stepping off my soapbox now...
Posted by PC Medic on Nov. 14 2003,7:08 pmUPC symbols from cigarettes! Now there's something I have never come accross. Perhaps someone opened a pack at the cache and did not want to throw the trash on the ground Though I would have to say, the cache contatiner is not the place for it either.
As for the 'value' of the trade item, to me the search is the adventure and we do not always take anything. Now my kids on the other hand!
Posted by Quinn on Nov. 14 2003,7:21 pmhmmm... I have to agree with him. I too have placed many a cache over the past couple of years. Most of the time I spend a couple weeks planning on what I will place in a cache before going out. i have added things such as New navicache T-shirts, large packages of batteries, computer memory, gift certificates for dinner, etc. i have repeatedly asked over and over to trade fairly if you decide to take an item. I have even asked to ONLY take one per group or cacher, but this never works or sinks in. i get groups that walk out and take all the good stuff and even get bold about it in the find logs and say tokk this-this- and this, and left three burger king toys...now thats bad!!! Makes ya not wanna go the extra mile to make a cache fun for the finders. If people would just realize that to some it's the find, but to others it's also the mystery as to what may be in a cache. if all we expect to do is find dumb buger toys in each cache people will lose interest.
Posted by DustyJacket on Nov. 14 2003,8:12 pmThis is a quote from the last cache I visited. This cacher visited it a day or two after I did.
"Left DustyJacket button, new AAA flashlight, old silver 1945-D half dollar."
"I took the small Brinkman flashlight. I forgot to bring my goodies to exchange, but I left a dollar bill."
At least he left something.
The next guy did even worse.......
Posted by Volvo Man on Nov. 15 2003,12:55 amTrades is always a good subject to get a discussion going.
If there's a soft toy in the cache, it's going home with me, unless there's more than one, then it's the most forlorn looking one that I take, I'm just an old softie when it comes to it.
I have a pack full of small trade Items, but I seem to run out of the good stuff pretty quickly. I'm lucky enough to have a pretty good array of consumables provided by work though. I know it's pretty cheap of me, but I often put a good selection of batteries, ethernet adaptors, ethernet flyleads etc in.
I've scoured the local discount stores, but all the good stuff I find is too big for caches. Unfortunately there isn't a large stationery store in my area, so I really have to hunt for the basic stuff too. We do have a lot of charity shops in my area, and sometimes they can be good, but again, they tend not to have the small stuff.
I throw it open to the floor, where do you get your trades??
Also, I've often wondered, is it ok to take the personalised keyrings left in caches? I could get quite a collection going.
Posted by Guest on Nov. 15 2003,5:30 pm
We are always on the prowl for cool, intersting, and "cheap" trade items. We have put together some awesome caches for cheap too. Walmart, garage sales, flea markets, dollar tree, family dollar, and grandma's attic! LOL Those are just some of the places we go for trade items.
We also know that if you hide a cache, that eventually, it is going to need beefing up. :rock: That's just the way it is....
Posted by Scout on Nov. 16 2003,10:41 am
Or what. Most people hunt only one or two caches, then lose interest in geocaching. They don't go to the dollar store ahead of time and buy trading goods. They just go geocaching to see what it's all about. When they find a cache, it's too late to go to the store. So, they reach in their pockets and choose the best thing they can find. It might be a UPC symbol.
Posted by PC Medic on Nov. 16 2003,12:30 pmAnother thought on this subject, how many caches contain 'Dollar Store' type items? I would say a large number. Now how many cache listings do not even mention the 'original contents'? Again a large number.
Point is I do not know about anyone else but I do not go out carrying a larg inventory of trade items. I prefer to pack light and bring the dollar store items. Now on the other hand, if the cache listing states it contains items that are of a better value, I will bring something suitable along. If I get there and am suprised by this type of content and have no suitable trade item, I take nothing, but generally still leave the Dollar Store item for the next geocacher who may be just as suprised to find a Gucci lable on the cache container.
Posted by axcion on Dec. 01 2003,6:03 pmAhh the joy of watching your caches systematically emptied of the better trade goods. Only to be replaced with McToys & broken random toys. Grrrr!
I have seen some pretty darn insulting things left in caches as "trade goods."
Dirty, half of the hair gone, and an arm gone missing undressed doll
Soap and shampoo from hotels (the animals can smell this stuff too!) Is this some kind of "hint" that "other" cachers are inherently filthy.
A lego toy head. That is it, just the head piece! WTF?
How I hate seeing something like this posted:
As there were 6 of us we took x,y,z,a,b,and c. Left lego toy head and home made bead thing.
Ok...So they took 6 items and replaced it with 2. Not even 2, really!
Kinda kills it for the next 4 folks doesn't it???
Posted by Brobubba on Dec. 02 2003,3:01 pmI admit that I wasn't sure of what to bring to trade on my first find. I found some items around the house and took off. When I got back home, my wife and I went out the next day to shop for neat stuff to leave in trade. We found this search as rewarding as looking for a cache. We enjoyed looking for the best deals on things we couled leave. With each cache I find, the more ideas for trade items I get.I have on several occasions left more then I took, just to help stock the cache. This is another aspect of the sport that gave satisfaction that I never would have thought about. Helping to keep caches healthy, thus making it more enjoyable for the next person.
Posted by CoyoteRed on Dec. 02 2003,4:04 pmHey, Bro!
Our first trade was a Book Crossing release. Sissy found letterboxing through Book Crossing and then gc.com.
Our second trade was the item we got from the first trade! The second find was too small for the book we had planned to release.
Now, trading is something that is determined by a combination how well the cache itself is kept up and our proximity to the cache. We'll help it out if the box is in okay shape and just short decent trades. If the box needs serious maintenance, we figure why bother letting our trade get ruined.
We used to replace failing containers with ammo cans, but people seemed ungratefull. Now, it just depends on how we feel out the hider, the location, and a few other things.
If it weren't for Sissy, I would've stopped trading all together long ago. The whole issue of keeping the caches "in shape" has gotten tiring.
Posted by axcion on Dec. 03 2003,2:34 am
I hadn't even thought to trade books into a cache! Thats a cool idea, now which of my books am I willing to part with???
Personally, I trade 'cos it's more or less expected. Not required...just kinda expected. There is a guy in my area that puts untold hors and hours into his caches, both the manufacture and the hiding. His caches deserve great trades.
Granted, first time or two out...I didn't have a clue either..but I didn't go around just emptying them, or putting random junk into them either.
Now I have gotten my nieces, and my brother into the sport and he is teaching his little ones that to take you got to give. I have taught my nieces, and they use part of their allowance money to buy things to put in caches.
Posted by cachekidds on Dec. 31 2003,9:33 am
No joke there! I can think of one person over there who is the poster boy for the negative snob.
Posted by Renegade Knight on Jan. 02 2004,4:28 pm
That's two posts here that complain about people over "There".
What I get a kick out of is that some of the most controversial people at GC.com post in woodsters ourdoors and elsewhere and get along fine. They are not a club and don't agree with each other all that much but can hold a discussion. Go figure.
The entire key seems to be not fanning the flames but discussing the fact that there is a fire.
Posted by cachekidds on Jan. 06 2004,12:26 pm
Posted by Volvo Man on Jan. 08 2004,12:22 pm
perhaps away from "home" they feel a little less territorial about stuff. My parents have a dog that can be quite cranky when he's at home, but is s good as gold whenever he's out on a walk.
Posted by CacheFreak on Feb. 24 2004,4:58 pmI think it's simply that the geocaching.com forums have so many more people that it's impossible not to have a few trouble makers. Lately though, the forums have been civil. If this site ever grows to the proportions of GC.com then I'm sure there will be an influx of negative people here as well.
Posted by TEAM 360 on Mar. 04 2004,4:46 pmControversial topic=Freeing up cache information on every geocaching board, so everyone could crawl info from everyone else! What a wonderful world it would be!
Well, I can dream, at least....
Posted by deckyon on Mar. 05 2004,12:07 pmI just received an order of "golf" pencils from a friend who has a company that makes the custom. I am thinking these will be a sig item. I have also left the little watch-band compasses. I look for as many sig items from others as I can find, from geo-coins to cards and wooden sigs. My goal is to get one from each of the states and countries.
Posted by GeoRockers on Mar. 07 2004,4:20 amGreetings All!
Your dream may be closer than you realize!
Our XML interface to the cache data and log entries has been functional since May 2002, and was announced < here > on Aug. 26 2002.
On Feb 16, 2004, a new field was created for caches - open cache and for logs - open logs.
When you create or edit your caches or logs, you can declare your cache or log as "not open", "open for non-commercial use only", or "open for unrestricted use".
The DTD was modified to support the new fields in the XML interface.
Posted by cachekidds on Mar. 07 2004,5:47 amThanks for that information, GeoRockers!
Good news and preety cool.
Posted by TEAM 360 on Mar. 08 2004,8:37 amYes! I was VERY excited to see this option here! THANK YOU for giving the cache owners control of their own information! This is a HUGE step forward in the natural evolution of the sport, IMO.
Dream really CAN come true...I feel like I am on Richard Simmons "DreamMakers" show here...I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Academy, the Producers and Directors, the support staff....
Posted by cachekidds on June 05 2004,5:18 amLooks like the cacheZealots and geosnobs are after Mr. Chit again!
Posted by Guest on June 05 2004,7:00 am
I can handle it.......
Posted by cachekidds on June 05 2004,7:52 amDuane, you were 100% right about the "glass half empty" cacheZealot.
Posted by Moose on Aug. 02 2004,7:03 pm
Leaving books in a cache sounds like a great idea! I have lots of books that are in great condition that I've read. Is it tacky to leave books that you've already read? Shouldn't the books be new?
Posted by welch on Aug. 03 2004,6:49 am
Maybe, but its still got a good chance to be one of the 'better' IMO things in there.
I'd say no.
oh, and you might want to check out Bookcrossing.com
Posted by axcion on Aug. 09 2004,11:15 pm
There is no chance at all that I would put out $5 + for a book and NOT read it.
If anyone thinks that I am "TACKY" for placing a read book in the cache...what does it say about them when they leave a filthy Barbie head missing half of it's hair in there as a trade??
Posted by Scout on Aug. 10 2004,6:50 amThe contents of many caches get exposed to the weather. Given that, I think it's risky to leave books, new or used, in caches at all. bookcrossing.com is probably a better way to circulate your read books.
Posted by PC Medic on Aug. 10 2004,3:12 pmI would probably have to agree with scout here. Even in well sealed containers moderate temerature changes can still cause enough condensation that paper contents in a cache can get musty and moldy if there too long.
I guess perhaps special types of caches (locations) this may make more sense.
Posted by barrington on Aug. 10 2004,5:51 pm
Gee, I never thought of our public libraries as being "tacky" for harboring used books. Books have always been a vehicle for distribution of knowledge and entertainment, and should be shared as much as possible. If you find a book in a cache, take it, read it, and leave it in another cache for someone else's pleasure. As long as the content is intact (and they don't smell too bad) books don't devalue with use.
Paper and other moisture sensitive materials can survive well in a cache by simply placing them in zipper plastic bags (double-bag for extra protection). I make it a practice to bag every item when I place a new cache, and sometimes leave extra bags for swapped-in items. However, it probably isn't a good idea to leave books (or anything else, actually) in containers that don't seal tightly, like food storage containers (or anything with less than ammo can integrity). It's revolting to find a cache with the contents floating around inside in a soup of dissolved and decaying "stuff".
Posted by virgo91967 on Sep. 06 2004,12:11 am
What! ya mean y'll don't collect dem der marlborry miles?? Heck, all I need is 2400 more and i will be able to get that marlborogh O2tank fer my ma!
Seriously, there are some folks out there who are as fanatic about collectting 'miles' as we are about caching. Value is like Beauty..it is all in the beholder, eh?
Posted by virgo91967 on Sep. 06 2004,12:21 am
a Negative Snob??? shouldn't that be an oxymoron??
Perhaps said person is BOT an Ox and a Moron??
sorry for the Bump, all.. back on topic
Books...I do not mind books in caches IF they had been pretty well taken care of AND if proper care has been taken to keep them in the best possible condition. And if you think I will go out and pay $5 for a brand new book to use as a trade item WITHOUT reading it first, then you are a loonie!
I have recently turned one of my caches 'over there' into a bookcrossing hybrid. Along with some little activity books with pictures to color and stickers to play with. Things that would keep passengers who are NOT riding in rolling cinemas occupied, ya know?
Who Knows,, I may just cross post it here... Wonder how many Navicachers run up and down I-75 on a regular basis??