Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Forest Defender or Cache Thief?
started by: DudleyGrunt

Posted by DudleyGrunt on May 17 2010,1:26 pm
I listened to the most recent < Podcacher Podcast > this morning and they were discussing someone by the name of < Forest Defender > who is on a mission to remove caches and letterboxes from places she deems too sensitive for placements.

I don't know how familiar she is with Navicache, but thought I'd share for discussion.

As I commented on the Podcacher forums, if this person were working with the appropriate land managers / owners, then I really couldn't complain. However, I see no evidence of this - only an imaginary conversation with a park ranger.

I wonder if she's even considered whether these caches just might have the approval of of those actually responsible for the land.

I would recommend that people placing cachers in "her forests" (around Seattle), be sure to get approval and make the owners / managers aware of FD's activities. If they are granting permission, then they may join us in trying to put a stop to her activities.

In central Maryland, we've had an issue with a "cache maggot" (as we call him) stealing caches and using various accounts to log his activities. Through the Maryland Geocaching Society, we've been able to enlist the support of the Maryland Municipal League and the Maryland National Capital Park and Planning Commission in trying to combat our thief when it comes to caches on their properties.

Members of the < Military Association of GeoCaching (MAGC) > have worked closely with the Chesapeake Bay Environmental Center (CBEC) on historic Kent Island, MD to place caches at CBEC to increase visitations and develop a group of people who are willing to come out a couple times a year to provide free manpower to help improve the area though CITO events. I know they would not be happy with "Forest Defender" if she were to "liberate" CBEC of geocaches.

Of course, typical of this kind of person, there is no way to contact them or even leave comments on her blog.  I did, however, find a blog set up to respond to Forest Defender - < here >.

[WARNING - Some of the content of the "rebuttal blog" may be of questionable taste.  Since there is no way to directly contact Forest Defender through her own blog, I chose to post my comments directed to FD there, instead of creating a new blog.]

Posted by PC Medic on May 17 2010,2:58 pm
First question that comes to my mind is whether or not this individual is in violation of Googles eBlogger TOS with regards to 'Illegal Activity'.

If a land owner / manager has given permission for a geocache to be placed on the land under their jurisdiction, then her/his removing tat cache is in essence a form of theft. Which would then make the blog promoting this activity a violation of the TOS and subject for removal.

I suspect if enough geocachers complain (and point this fact out) to Google eBlogger, then they just may get the blog site/account  removed.

Posted by DudleyGrunt on May 17 2010,5:08 pm
I did look at the "report abuse" option, but that wasn't one of the options. I'll have to look into how one would report that type of violation.
Posted by PC Medic on May 17 2010,5:15 pm
< Check Here >
About 3/4 down page.... Illegal Activity

Posted by DudleyGrunt on May 18 2010,7:01 am
A good article by Kryptic on this issue:
< Geocaching Has A Dark Side: Anti-Caching >

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