Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Posting To Multiple Sites
started by: barrington
Posted by barrington on April 21 2005,7:26 pmI placed a new cache last weekend (Cherry), and as I usually do, posted it to both Navicache.com and "GC" .com. I was a little taken aback by the comment included in the first Navicache log:
"Found the posting for this cache on NaviCache.com thinking I could be FTF (First To Find). Left work early to insure my chances. Very easy to find via wide open trails, but the logbook indicates FTF two days ago. Apparently author Barrington doesn't think his caches get enough attention, so he posts to multiple caching websites like GC."
I find Navicache to be a very much friendlier, more hospitable site than GC.com, with a strong western NY connection, and I frequently read and occasionally participate in the forums (which I NEVER do on GC.com).
I would very much prefer to only post to Navicache, but I use both sites for one good and simple reason: I get about ten times as many visitors from GC.com as I do from Navicache, and most of the Navicache finders log the find to both sites!
I place geocaches to help get people to visit places I've discovered over the years, to sometimes present a challenge in finding them, and because I (usually) enjoy the feedback I get via the logs. An allegiance to a particular website would seriously limit all of these.
Any opinions or comments?
Posted by QuigleyJones on April 22 2005,2:22 amSounds like hes a bit bitter about not being the FTF
I dont have a problem with it at all.
Posted by PC Medic on April 22 2005,4:43 amWell maybe better luck next time is all I can say.
I see no problem with cross-listing and we often encourage it.
Posted by whiteurkel on April 22 2005,10:24 pm
Myself (17 cross-listed) and another local cacher (11 cross-listed) received similiar shots across the bow by the same poster today. (only posted to our one newest cache placed respectively). Also posted to the geocaching.com page. And some poor guy with a cache in Chili (right accross the Creek from Barrington's Creekside) got a similiar FTF message when the cache was first placed and another shot across the bow in the last couple of days.
I don't know, if this author wants a Navicache that doesn't receive enough attention, maybe he could find this cache, which hasn't been opened in over a year and a half: < Carons Cache >
Posted by welch on April 23 2005,9:51 pm
The guy sounds bitter, just ignore him and keep doing things your way.
Posted by whiteurkel on April 24 2005,3:04 pm
You know, I'd love to list all my caches only on Navicache.com, especially with all the crap going on with the new Admin in these parts (whose been on board less than a year). But in reality, it's just not practical. As of the day I'm typing this post, geocaching.com has just hit 160,000 caches, Navicache is sitting at a little under 5,300. If you put out a Navicache only hide (I have 3, but 2 are virtuals), once the small circle of Navicache users in your area find it, be it 5, 10 or 20, after that, it's just going to sit there forever with no finders, and obviously a chore with maintenance.
Posted by PC Medic on April 24 2005,4:19 pm
How about 'Please also log your find at xxxxx.com' on your cache descriptions. This has a double edge in that it encourages finders to log at other sites you have listed with and also gets the word out that other sites DO exist!
I always see these posts over there saying "'I wish there were alternative listing sites", fact is there are, but they just don't realize it yet. I also always see posts here about, "I would cross-post my caches here, but they don't have as many caches in my area listed here". Stop and think about that a minute, the solution is simple.
While it may take longer, even caches listed elsewhere would have a finite lifetime before activity would stop or at least dwindle to a near stop. Most caches are hunted by locals and once the cache is found, they can only log it once.
Posted by YardBoy on April 25 2005,9:08 am
Foremost, I'm sorry for your discomfort, but it seems like we've made the same comment: you're after volume, possibly a factor of 10X.
Secondly, the HaleGang didn't log the find to both sites and this results in site discrepencies. Perhaps the HaleGang would have done so if you had posted both sites with a notice: "Cherry has been posted on both NC and GC. Please post your finds on both sites to maintain accuracy and the enjoyment of others. Otherwise, don't plan your finds based on any one website."
Extremists cite bitterness, but what I actually feel is disappointment with the inaccuracies on the sites. A parallel situation might be your child looking at NC and saying: "Daddy, I REALLY want to get the Michael Jackson Travel Bug at the Neverland Cache". You quickly leave work, pack the family into the car, etc. Disappointment is what the family feels when the log book says the TB has already moved on to the Jail Cache and you learn this was only posted on GC two days ago. Wasted time and gas is disappointment. Bitterness might come from something more serious like a car crash during the needless trip.
Posted by YardBoy on April 25 2005,10:11 am
"...shots across the bow" would be your subjective opinion.
Here's my actual note from a cross-posted NC: "Double posted on GeoCaching.com, so make no assumptions based on NaviCache.com alone with regards to cache history, recent visitors, contents, TBs (Travel Bugs), etc."
There's no criticism of cross-posting or author of the cache, simply accurate info that is missing from both websites. My aim is not across someone's bow, rather, I aim to help others at least have the ability to make smarter and safer decisions. Better informed cachers can save gas, the environment and reduce personal risk.
Posted by YardBoy on April 25 2005,10:22 am
I like PC Medic's logic: the big numbers from cross-posting aren't that big a factor locally. That's one of the reasons I post exclusively on NC. "Build it and they will come."
Posted by whiteurkel on April 27 2005,6:50 am
Yes, I agree there is no criticism of the cache owner or cross-listing. I'm just curious as to why the note quoted above was posted to only 4 of the hundreds of cross-listed Navicaches in Western New York. Not that I would expect you to go hog wild posting notes to all of them.
Posted by whiteurkel on April 27 2005,6:54 am
I can pretty much assure you such a note would never fly with the new admin around here! But of course it could be added after the cache is approved. In the future I'm going to have a link on all my geocaching webpages to a webpage that will promote my Navicache only hides, and Navicache itself (as well as GPSgames.org). But I have to make the webpage first.
Posted by YardBoy on April 27 2005,8:20 am
hog wild = bitter = not me
"Girls Gone Wild" = sweet = me
My time is short before I return to India. I had shortlisted a small number of NaviCaches to hunt in Monroe County, but after I got burnt at "Cherry", I put the cross-posted notice on those NCs I now want to avoid.
I choose to support NC exclusively:
- with a banner on my webpage
- with caches I hide (challenging descriptions, clues, and photos)
- with caches I hunt (detailed logs, environment awareness)
- with high-end cache gifts
- by purchasing my GPS via NC advertiser
- with PayPal donations
- by giving noobs a GPS and taking them to NC Exclusives (I don't mention the other sites)
I believe that if we build it, the traffic will come. If my NCs get less traffic, I'm not taking the easy way out. It's not a popularity contest, it's about a better site run by better people, many of whom are neighbors (not some "new admin around here").
Posted by PC Medic on April 27 2005,3:54 pm
Well prior to my archiving them over there, my cache listings had that exact statement without issue and they (GC.com) were stricter then (IMHO) than they are now about such mention. The concern you raise however is why some say they do not cross-post there any longer.
Buxley's Maps already does this and even more so since GC.com cut his access to their cache info. You list a cache here and it shows on the clickable maps there!
Posted by PC Medic on April 27 2005,3:57 pm
Thank you for all the support Yardboy....you
Posted by whiteurkel on April 29 2005,7:54 am
Oh, I'm very familiar with Buxleys maps. And I'm sure Yardboy would be very happy to know that it has always reverted to the Navicache listing for cross-listed caches. What I was referring to was just making a quickie little webpage in my ISP's webspace or Geocities, where I would describe my caches not listed on geocaching.com, along with links to the Navicache listing, and the join page. And have a clickable link to this web page on all my geocaching.com listings.
Posted by Scout on April 29 2005,8:19 am
If you want to keep maintenance to a minimum, just put a link like this on your personal geocaching page:
< http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/memberdetails2.pl?MemberID=4199 >
It'll automatically take readers to your full list of Navicache geocaches.
Posted by mrjester on Dec. 19 2006,8:27 pmIve heard a lot of discusion about posting caches and also the dislike of GC. So far I like what I see here and am also building a website < Fishing the beartooths > and would like to start offereing geocaches for that area. I am looking at posting the cache here but allow people to go to my site to get maps, hiking gear, and info for the area that the cache is around. Does navicache have any info on how a webmaster can help promote this site and also a begginers guide on how your site works?
The way I see it is that it would be a win win situation for webmasters would drive traffic to navicache but in return by listing caches here it would also drive traffic back to the webmasters site.
Just a quick note on my site is that I offer info on the beartooth mountains for free where hikers, fisherman, and outdoors type can get info. Once a month I will be placing a geocache and the ftf person gets the price which will be a gift certificate to one of my advertisers. For example a $50 gift card to a sporting goods store or a free night at a local resort ect ect...
I do not want to try to teach or explain geocaching to people on my site and that is why I will post the cache on sites like this one and also try to promote this site so that my visitors can learn about geocaching. Any info on how I could accomplish this on navicache would be appreciated.
Posted by Quinn on Dec. 30 2006,7:33 amWell...linking us and word of mouth have always been a great way to get people to learn of us. We have been around a great while and really like to see links when we can.
Thanks for taking a liking to us and very nice to hear your feedback.
Posted by fishing0023 on Oct. 04 2007,1:32 ami just placed my first navi cache i have several caches listed on another site just wondering anything different here and good luck to all that hunt my caches
Posted by Rogheff on Feb. 06 2008,7:33 pmTo each his own, that's my opinion.
I've decided to list my Navicaches exclusively with Navicache.com. GC has a huge following already. Why do they need more geocaches?
I've got another strategy for introducing folks to Navicaching. It's brought several people to this site aleady.
If you place them...and they're really good...and they're very near boring geocaches...they will come.
Posted by 5BizzyBs on April 01 2008,11:10 pmI have existing caches listed on gc.com
Can I list those caches also on Navicache.com even though they've been around for a while ?
Posted by PC Medic on April 02 2008,3:39 pmYou certainly can.
Posted by mother wolf on April 07 2008,11:05 amHello. Mother Wolf here. Well I signed up here last yr & really just forgot about it, I'm sorry, as I got more & more involved with geocaching.com. Well over the past few months I have become more & more unsatisfied with the system, over there, so I woould like to see if I can get some of my caches up & listed here?
I'm still just trying to become familiar with this setup & then I will give it a shot. Any input would be great. thanks MW
Posted by PC Medic on April 07 2008,2:15 pm
when cross-posting your caches between different sites, it is kind of important to do so using the same Username as you do on other sites and also the same name for each cache you may submit. This will avoid confusion (and aggravation) for those searching for them. Nothing worse that trekking through the woods only to find you have already logged the cache on a different site under a different name.
Posted by mother wolf on April 07 2008,3:33 pmThanks PC. I will continue to look over things here & read some threads to see if there is anything special I need to do & then I will try a couple of caches.
One of the things I really like about your 'house' is you allow virtuals. I enjoy them for those places that just cant take a cache but are cool places to see for history or jsut something interesting so I know I will be adding to that cat. Gotta figure out the rest of the stuff but I have several friends at MAGC (Military Association of Geocaching) that will be helpful as 'WE' all figure it out together. So dont be surprised if over the next few weeks there arent more of us that show up.:D MW
Posted by Omega on April 09 2008,9:08 pmOk, so I began cross-listing my caches here and came upon this thread. I will start posting Navicache only caches soon but in the meantime I have posted a note on my caches I am cross-listing to make sure no FTF hunter gets disappointed. I do have a related (sort of) question though. Since I am just listing this cache here I left the date alone, should I have changed it to the original date on the "other" site? What does this do to the search function, good or bad?
Posted by PC Medic on April 10 2008,4:01 am
No, you should change the date to what ever the date was the cache was actually place/hidden. It will still list normally here and will not effect the search function.
Posted by USA 45 on April 10 2008,11:30 am
I did the same thing O-Mega
This is a crossover cache and FTF is nil
That should help not to be dissapointed, USA 45
Posted by mother wolf on June 27 2008,7:12 pmWhen I decided to use both sites I listed ALL of my GC.com caches here with the special note that this is a cross listed cache. If someone goes out & finds any of these caches & gets upset because they missed the FTF rights, I apologize. I have never done this as a 'NUMBERS' game. I hope people here will hunt them just the same. MW