Forum: Just Getting Started In Geocaching
Topic: Navicache
started by: upinyachit

Posted by Guest on Nov. 26 2002,7:50 pm
:nono


Posted by Scout on Nov. 26 2002,9:25 pm
I learned of Navicache a year and a half ago in postings on the geocaching.com forum that said Jeremy Irish thought Quinn set up Navicache in order to cash in on geocaching (ironic, huh?).
Posted by cenobite07 on Nov. 26 2002,10:32 pm
I heard about the sport from a brief article in the paper and my research after that led me here. I think I first saw it in Feb or March but didn't get involved because I couldn't see spending the money on a GPSr.

It only took two days with someone elses GPSr to get me hooked. I found my first cache and the unit's owner in those two days and knew I just had to go on.

It's funny, Navicache has always seemed like home while the other site is like a distant relative I put up with when researching caches outside of the area. I think a lot of that comes from the seemingly constant bickering, name calling and insistance on more and more rules on their site. While they focus on what we can't do, the folks here seem more interested in making the sport fun and inclusive for newbies such as myself.

In my 6 weeks, I've found 30 odd caches and hidden two - my second hasn't been posted yet. I'm waiting for the snow to cover my tracks...
Posted by mikechim on Nov. 27 2002,1:09 am
Roadkill's "Sammy the Snail" hitchiker, lead me to the site over a year ago....maybe last august?  Not sure but anyway I picked up Sammy while I was travelling across the country, got him somewhere in Chicago, took him all the way west to WA and then back again.  Wonder where his is now?  Anyway I owe it to Roadkill.
Posted by YardBoy on Nov. 27 2002,2:27 am
I discovered the other site thru the WheresGeorge.com forums.  I was then curious to do a websearch on "cache rochester ny" that led me to NaviCache.com and its 3 original hides.

I'm pretty sure my first hunt was for Creek's Edge Cache in April 2001, but that log doesn't go as far back as the one removed from the other site  :(


Posted by Gimpy on Nov. 27 2002,4:17 am
It all started for me, back in March of 2001. Thumbing thru the Saturday newspaper, & in the "Weekend" section, I came across this. . I'll work on supplying a better image, but it's 6:00 am, & it'll have to wait. But I still have the original newspaper section stored with other cache memorabilia. Anyway,I ordered my Garmin III Plus the same day. There weren't too many other cachers around, or caches for that matter, but Quinn & I exchanged finding each others caches for a bit, until things kicked into high gear. And the rest, as they say, is history. Thanks, Quinn. It's been a ball ever since. :grinnin
Posted by Guest on Nov. 27 2002,5:14 am
:nono


Posted by barrington on Nov. 27 2002,9:16 am
The ABC News feature with Quinn and family led me to the site 1-1/2 years ago.  I had picked up a Magellan 315 a year earlier mostly because I had a few bucks from an eBay sale, it was a nifty tech toy and was on sale at K-Mart.  I dug it out, and we went looking for Quinn's cache in Greece Town Park, and we were hooked.  Finally something other photography for an excuse to get out in the woods, and something the family enjoyed, rather than just tagging along. :grinnin

I check this site a couple times a day just to see what's going on; it seems like more than just a website, more like a fun club that I'm a member of.  The other site has a commercial feel to it, and the forums tend to raise my blood pressure so I avoid them.  I go there to post my caches and finds, but don't hang around.  This is more like home. :p
Posted by Quinn on Nov. 27 2002,11:41 pm
I am glad you all continue to use the site, after all it was created for people like you and I hope you consider it as yours as well.

Though we have been a bit back logged we try to keep things moving forward to make everyone happy.

Gimpy, that article was funny, I think they kept calling me "Scott"  :grinnin

The ABC story was fun to do just because I got a kick out of seeing them wire up my daughter for sound, she had a ball!

For anyone that has not seen that national story I have it on CD and would not mind making anyone a copy so you can see. Just let me know.

You have all been great and I also like a place where I know everyone by name. I think it's fun to bump into a cacher on the trail from time to time not to mention hearing about Gimpy covered in mud always seems to make my day  ;)
Posted by welch on Nov. 28 2002,1:56 pm
after reading some posts in the geocaching.com forums about "other" sites, i ran some web searchs and turned up this site. i didnt do to much with it, but about the same time Roadkill cached threw the area, finding a couple of mine. we traded emails discussing differences in IA & NY caches, and the mints he left in a cache  :angry: , and somewhere in there i got lured in to joining this site  :xmas
Posted by Morseman on Nov. 29 2002,5:56 am
I found Navicache from one of the information letters in a cache, along with geocachingworldwide.com.

I really must pop back to geocachingworldwide and see if there's been any activity on that site as well.
Posted by Clown Knife on Dec. 19 2002,3:41 pm
I found Navicache from my Magellan_Meridian newsgroup on Yahoo!. I found a file to update the "Lawyer Screen" on my MeriPlat and there was a reference to the Navicache website for some other files in the readme.txt file. I just joined up today and this is my fourth post. Hello everyone!


Posted by South Cache on Jan. 15 2003,10:56 am
This is my first day here.  15-January-2003.  I learned about Geo-Caching from my sailing buddies at the TSBB, Trailer Sailor bulletin board, December of last year.  I went to geocaching.com and signed up as a charter member.  I searched for other sites but geocaching always came up in the search engine.  

I am turned off by the commerical aspects of paying big $$ for travel bugs only to have them lost or stolen.  I decided to make my own, if they get lost I am out a trinket and some laminated cards.  (I got 20 cards laminated for $1.79)

This place feels more like home to me.  To see the ADMIN post so much gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling too.
:grinnin   So if you see any of my Hitch Hikers send me an email and a photo if you can.  I'll post them on my website at < Simply Sailing Hitch Hikers >.

Thanks and...
Posted by Scout on Jan. 15 2003,2:55 pm
Quote (Capn_Skully @ Jan. 15 2003,11:56 am)
I am turned off by the commerical aspects of paying big $$ for travel bugs

I'm with you. Navicache admins have said more than once that hitchhiker tracking is coming to the site. But they didn't say when. And they didn't ask for inputs on features.

I've suggested it be free and easy to tag almost anything, so all the trinkets in a cache can have a traceable history. That way, the value of a cache is not in its trinkets, but in the trinkets' stories.
Posted by Quinn on Jan. 15 2003,3:24 pm
Scout, you are correct. I have mentioned this over and over and I should say "Sorry" for the set back in time frame.
We would like to offer a means to allow each member to make his/her own hitch hiker and offer a means to track this via a key word or code the user gives the hiker.

And we never offer people the option to give feedback or ideas because we expect them to know they are always welcome to voice opinions and ideas... this site was created for people to have fun either by themselves or with the family, so if you have stuff you think would make a great addition please step forward. :)
Posted by South Cache on Jan. 15 2003,6:55 pm
Quote (Scout @ Jan. 15 2003,4:55 pm)
I've suggested it be free and easy to tag almost anything, so all the trinkets in a cache can have a traceable history. That way, the value of a cache is not in its trinkets, but in the trinkets' stories.

All they need is a number issued, most of us can make our own tags.  The drawback to a travel bug is if you grab one with the best intentions you could actually impair the mission.

A good card with a mission description will help people understand them better.  Expecially us newbies!

Laminating business cards is .99 cents or I get 20 laminated at once for only $1.79 and cut them apart myself.
Posted by Scout on Jan. 15 2003,9:04 pm
Quote (Capn_Skully @ Jan. 15 2003,7:55 pm)
Laminating business cards is .99 cents or I get 20 laminated at once for only $1.79 and cut them apart myself.

Exactly. So you can let 20 hitchhikers loose in the wild for $1.79. If a few go astray, so what? There are plenty more that will make it. Think what that would cost on gc.com. Maybe supporting the Web site is a good cause, but the pricing unnecessarily keeps down the number of hitchhikers. It's good for business, but not good for the hobby.
Posted by strikeforce_sunset on Jan. 20 2003,10:18 pm
We found out about this site by accident. While posting on the "other side", someone emailed me a link to here, so we came, we met - a lot of nice people at  the "Letchworth Gathering", and needless to say we stayed.   BTW we are looking to re-encounter a elderly man with some sort of growth in the shape of a fox atop his head. After meeting all, and eating alot, we had a ball. Thanks Quinn - I sure could have used a new GPSr. Maybe next time. :)
Posted by imeagle on Jan. 20 2003,10:51 pm
Hey Capt Skully,  Just looked at your hitch hiker page. I really like the tags. But to give you a heads up, from what I saw it looks like you are using the "Geocaching.com" logo. They have been threatening legal action on to some people for using it on non approved items as they have a copyright on the logo.

That's one of the many reasons I promote this site.
Welcome aboard.
Posted by skeeter64 on Mar. 20 2003,5:56 pm
Came over after getting tired of the arrogance and getting Markwelled at the other site!  You guys sound like what this activity needs!!
Posted by Quinn on Mar. 20 2003,6:00 pm
Skeeter...glad to see you pop in. I hope you find the forums here to your liking. We have quite a nice group of people in these parts (friendly and helpful).

Welcome ! :)
Posted by mikechim on Mar. 21 2003,6:10 pm
Hi Skeeter,

Welcome, I can pretty much gaurantee you'll like the feel over here much better.  I still occasionally post there, but like I've said many times before here it feels like home and people are much friendlier.
Posted by imeagle on Mar. 22 2003,9:14 pm
Welcome Skeeter:

You named the main reason why I came here as well. I've started pushing this site more and more because of what I'm reading/seeing at geocaching.com..

:D Hopefully Quinn doesn't make me eat my words. :) and continues the fine work he does and doesn't become a tyrant.
Posted by Overland1 on Sep. 02 2003,8:20 am
This was one of a couple of sites recommended by one of the Service Advisors at the dealership where I bought my Jeep and have it serviced (Rochester, NY). Whenever I am there, he and I start discussing GPS stuff, and the other people nearby look at us like we are geeks or something  :laugh: .
Posted by PC Medic on Sep. 02 2003,5:09 pm
Now that's a Five Star Chrysler Dealership in my book!   :grinnin
Posted by TEAM 360 on Sep. 16 2003,10:35 am
Wait til you hear this: one of the Admins at GC.com TOLD me if I didn't like their restrictive rules about posting Virtuals, to go over HERE! SO I DID! Good advice. :wave
Posted by ohiocaver on Sep. 20 2003,10:41 pm
Hi everyone
I'm new to the sport and found the other site first. After submitting a virtual cache,I recived a rather rude response. I asked them why they wouldnt approve my virtual,as it met all of their guidelines. the response I got from them was( we do not have to answer that question). so I started looking in the forums for an answer. I found a bunch of people attacking other people and was afraid to even ask a question.

I saw a post by 360 about going to navicache and figured if its good enough for him its good enough for me!
I posted my virtual here and will post  all the rest of the caches I'm going to place here also.

Thanks for the great site ...Ohiocaver :thumbs-up

Posted by grin n bearit on Oct. 14 2003,10:34 pm
first discovered navicache a couple weeks ago when I discovered the keenpeople cache rating system and they gave the a choice between geocaching and navicache.  I've been a member on geocaching.com for about a year now and have never heard of navicache.  I guess they really do censor navicache well over at gc.com.  Then shortly after I read a thread at gc.com that team360 moved all his caches here I decided to check navicache out.  I'm now thinking of putting all or some of my caches from gc.com here as well.
Posted by Volvo Man on Nov. 17 2003,5:45 pm
I found my way here doing a search to try to find geocaching sites where I could download the whole database in one go instead of 20 waypoints at a time. I soon found the XML script, and I now have a world map of every Navicache's exact location, which I update regularly, so I don't have to overload the servers to see if there's any logged in my next search area.

Full points to the guys here, sometimes it pays to open up the database a bit.

After a while posting in the forums over there, I came here and now I'm definitely leaning my loyalty in this direction, although I still use the other site as they have more caches listed in my area.

Question, is it OK to make up a keyring calling card with the Navicache logo & URL to leave in caches I go to ? (free advertising)

Posted by Quinn on Nov. 17 2003,6:31 pm
Quote (Volvo Man @ Nov. 17 2003,7:45 pm)
Question, is it OK to make up a keyring calling card with the Navicache logo & URL to leave in caches I go to ? (free advertising)

why of course it is. We like it when people spread the word.  :)

Have fun with it!

Posted by PC Medic on Nov. 17 2003,6:37 pm
Quote (Volvo Man @ Nov. 17 2003,7:45 pm)
Question, is it OK to make up a keyring calling card with the Navicache logo & URL to leave in caches I go to ? (free advertising)

I PM'd you regarding this.
Posted by Brobubba on Nov. 21 2003,10:51 am
I found this site in a round about way.  I was on another site.... and had emailed admin, only to have the email  kicked back as undeliverable.  I then emailed a cacher whose locations I had found to see if I could get guidance about the questions I had.  As I expected they were helpful.  I then asked questions, as I like to know history about things I become involved in.  This helpful person gave me several sites to visit to obtain a well rounded picture of the sport/activity.  I did not realize the contriversy which is going on, but found that many of the concerns are things that I picked up on withen  the first few days of becoming involved in the sport.  I have learned a lot by just browsing the forums here, and hope to continue to gain knowledge so I can not only participate but help in the healthy growth of what I think is a 21st century sport.
Posted by PC Medic on Nov. 21 2003,3:11 pm
Welcome aboard Brobubba  :wave  and welcome to the sport of geocaching.

The controversy is not as bad as it seems. Just like some have their favorite sports team, they have their favorite geocaching site or ideas on how they should be run. All in all it is a very friendly bunch though.

Posted by Tahosa on Dec. 08 2003,6:47 am
I found it when a disgruntled cacher put a note about it on the < C. A. C. H. E. >
Forums.  And since then I've had another disgruntled cacher contact me and I sent him this way also.
Now I'm looking forward to listing all those good virtuals that I have over here, and by Spring  the traditionals are coming over also.

Posted by PC Medic on Dec. 08 2003,8:10 am
Thank you for spreading the word. Now that GC.com has (at least temporarily) loosened their censorship, perhaps more of those that have been kept in the dark will realise there are alternatives.

I actually just heard of C.A.C.H.E for the first time last night in the alt.rec.geocaching newsgroup.



Posted by Tahosa on Dec. 08 2003,2:30 pm
:O Cache could have a conflict of interest in its inner workings.  It so happens that the Prez of C.A.C.H.E. is also the FROGS Lackey (CO Admin) so their is a possiblity that as a local caching group our interests could be swayed so we see the Green Glow from emerald city.
Posted by Quinn on Dec. 08 2003,4:20 pm
Neat!...I also just heard of C.A.C.H.E.

I'll have to do some reading.  :p

Hey...

I like the pix... looks like you have a mighty tight grip on that young'n...you scared he's gonna get the cache first?  :grinnin

Posted by Tahosa on Dec. 08 2003,8:16 pm
Quote (Quinn @ Dec. 08 2003,6:20 pm)
I like the pix... looks like you have a mighty tight grip on that young'n...you scared he's gonna get the cache first?  :grinnin

He did beat me to it, so I gave him his congratulatory hug.  

And I don't think you can wipe that grin off.  That smile is more important than the Cache find.

Posted by Guest on Dec. 09 2003,6:58 am
:nono


Posted by Renegade Knight on Dec. 09 2003,7:22 pm
When I found geocaching a million years ago I signed up on Geocaching.com Navicache.com and geocachingworldwide.com.  They all turned up on a net search for geocaching.

Two are still around.

Posted by Scout on Dec. 09 2003,7:31 pm
Quote (Renegade Knight @ Dec. 09 2003,8:22 pm)
Two are still around.

I still haven't given up all hope on geocachingworldwide.com. Call me an optimist.
Posted by tat-2 on Dec. 17 2003,9:49 pm
I first heard of geocaching in a MAME newsgroup (of all places). I did some searching of newsgroups  and found a geocaching newsgroup. Read a few posts that were in English and found a post about quitting geocaching. I read all of the replys and one of them had this site mentioned.
I lurked as a guest for a few days and signed on.

Ed

Posted by JeepCachr on Mar. 16 2004,11:03 am
I'm new to geocaching. While purusing caches over at GC.com I saw a neat hit counter and cache rating tag. That linked to < http://keenpeople.com. > While looking at how to get my own hit counter there was a choice of whether it was a navicache.com or geocaching.com cache. I didn't know what navicache was so I followed the link here. I've done geocache web searches but didn't stumble upon this site untill now. I'm not saying it didn't turn up in the search, I just never noticed it or followed it. I've read many threads over at gc.com and never saw this site mentioned either, which seems odd.

I've only read a couple threads so far but I am impressed with the friendlyness around here.   :D

Posted by PC Medic on Mar. 16 2004,12:35 pm
First let me say, Welcome to Navicache!  :wave

I have to admit you stirred my curiosity (and some concern) regarding not seeing us in te search engine, but just did my checks and we still show right there uner GC.com and Buxley's Maps.

Won't find uslisted in many of GC.com's forum threads as until recently entering a post with the word 'navicache' included in it flagged your post for approval by the moderators. Any way, glad you found us and you will find it to be a very friendly and helpful bunch that frequent our site.

Posted by apogee on April 14 2004,10:25 pm
Hi! This is my first time on Navicache.  Like some others I arrived in a roundabout way (just like geocaching).  I was reading a topic on the other board about MapSource software.  It referred me to an answer someone had posted on a UK site (www.globalpositioningsystems.co.uk).  There I found a recommendation for geocache listings at this site.  When I discovered the forums, I decided to stay for a look, and now here I am.  :laugh:

I agree with what has been said about this being a friendlier forum with less attitude, but I think it has a lot to do with number of members.  The bigger you get, the more troublemakers crash the party.  I tend to ignore them and just talk past them.  It's always nice to find a forum without that kind of problem, though. :;):

One big advantage gc has over Navicache is the size of its database.  I only found one cache here within a 20-mile radius of my home.  The other site shows over thirty.  Is there any possiblity of combining the lists, or is that a political issue?   :rollwink

Posted by JeepCachr on April 15 2004,6:53 am
I don't think the listings are every going to be combined.
Check out this site- < History of Geocaching >
Its an interesting read and will explain many things.

Posted by GeoRockers on April 15 2004,7:26 am
Greetings apogee!

Quote (apogee @ April 14 2004,9:25 pm)
Hi! This is my first time on Navicache.


Welcome to Navicache! :wave

Quote (apogee @ April 14 2004,9:25 pm)
One big advantage gc has over Navicache is the size of its database.  I only found one cache here within a 20-mile radius of my home.  The other site shows over thirty.  Is there any possiblity of combining the lists, or is that a political issue?   :rollwink


It's a philosophical (not a political nor technical) issue. :D

Navicache supports an open caching environment (the entire cache/log database is accessible :) - you can read more about it < here >) while gc.com does not.


George

Posted by apogee on April 15 2004,10:10 am
Quote (JeepCachr @ April 15 2004,8:53 am)
I don't think the listings are every going to be combined.
Check out this site- < History of Geocaching >
Its an interesting read and will explain many things.

Thanks for the history lesson!  I'm so new to the sport that I knew almost nothing about its origin.  You mean to say that it all started just four years ago, and already we have turf wars, elitism and cache count envy?  In another four years people may be landmining caches to keep the other side out!   :O

The article answered a couple questions I had while poking around the other site.  Why were downloads limited to 20 waypoints at a time?  Why was there no easy way to view multiple caches on a map?  Why was there so much resistance when I suggested that member-only caches and two-tiered membership were contrary to the spirit of the hobby?  ???

No one seemed willing to question gc's commercialization.  There was tacit acceptance of the notion that if you're going to use the site, you have to pay the owner.  Never mind the fact that it was other members providing the expertise, the caches and much of the support.  No one agreed that a site could be hosted by someone simply for love of the hobby.  It was all about making money, and whoever got there first got to claim ownership and control.  :angry:

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Navicache supports an open caching environment (the entire cache/log database is accessible  - you can read more about it here) while gc.com does not.

That's great, but the problem of accessing a universal database still remains.  Buxley's Maps partially solve the problem, but it still sends you to the individual databases for details.  I plan to do some geocaching in Hawaii next month, for example, but it would be impossible without going to that other site for information.  If JI ever makes the place pay-per-view, a lot of people will be left stranded.  Well, I'm glad there's at least one alternative!   :D

Posted by Icenians on April 15 2004,3:18 pm
Quote (apogee @ April 15 2004,12:25 am)
One big advantage gc has over Navicache is the size of its database.  I only found one cache here within a 20-mile radius of my home.  The other site shows over thirty.  Is there any possiblity of combining the lists, or is that a political issue?   :rollwink

Hi Apogee

Welcome to Navicache. When I started Caching a couple of years back there was one cache in my area and that was on GC.com. I was given a piece of advise at the time. 'Go out and set some caches and others will come' I did and it worked. No reason it can't work here on navicache.

Why not place the navicache letter in your caches and cross post them. Any gc.com cachers finding your cache will see the navicache sheet and may take a look. A lot of them don't know we are here.

Posted by PC Medic on April 15 2004,7:09 pm
Quote (apogee @ April 15 2004,12:10 pm)
The article answered a couple questions I had while poking around the other site.  Why were downloads limited to 20 waypoints at a time?  Why was there no easy way to view multiple caches on a map?  Why was there so much resistance when I suggested that member-only caches and two-tiered membership were contrary to the spirit of the hobby?  ???



Money of course!

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No one seemed willing to question gc's commercialization.  There was tacit acceptance of the notion that if you're going to use the site, you have to pay the owner.  Never mind the fact that it was other members providing the expertise, the caches and much of the support.  No one agreed that a site could be hosted by someone simply for love of the hobby.  It was all about making money, and whoever got there first got to claim ownership and control.  :angry:


Many have questioned it, but it either falls on deaf ears or results in Flame Wars (neither are productive). We would certainly agree with you that a site could be hosted for the love of the hobby and Navicache is a perfect example. Up to this point (3 years and counting) this site has been maintained out of pocket. While donations are always welcome :thumbs-up and we look for ways to have the site be self supporting, it was not started as a commercial venture.


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Navicache supports an open caching environment (the entire cache/log database is accessible  - you can read more about it here) while gc.com does not.

That's great, but the problem of accessing a universal database still remains.  Buxley's Maps partially solve the problem, but it still sends you to the individual databases for details.  I plan to do some geocaching in Hawaii next month, for example, but it would be impossible without going to that other site for information.  If JI ever makes the place pay-per-view, a lot of people will be left stranded.  Well, I'm glad there's at least one alternative!   :D

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Buxley's is an excellent resource for one stop cache shopping and the best part is that if a cache is cross posted, it sends you here :grinnin . But seriously, the plan behind an 'open' database is that one day there can be a network of sites all sharing their databases. You submit a cache to site A and it automatically appears on site B, C and D when someone does a search. Yes their are details to be worked out still, but the concept is beneficial to all in more than one way.
By the way, GC.com going pay-perview would certainly be a temporary bump in the road for many headed out on that weekend cache, but remember the caches belong to the players. That leaves them free to submit them for listing where they choose. So if the threat of this 'bump' is there, it is easily solved by those that do not want that much control in one place.

Posted by GeoRockers on April 15 2004,11:26 pm
Greetings to All!

Quote (apogee @ April 15 2004,9:10 am)
That's great, but the problem of accessing a universal database still remains.


The question arises as to how one legally accesses a universal, fully populated, cache database when the largest cache database is closed? :)


George

Posted by JeepCachr on April 16 2004,7:29 am
Just a newbie observation. At first I was impressed with the open and friendly atmosphere here. Its wearing off. The constant bashing of that other site is making me want to visit here less.
Posted by PC Medic on April 16 2004,10:32 am
JeepCachr, I am sorry you feel anyone is currently bashing GC.com as I do not see that. I do see folks discussing their experiences with 'the other site' as you have referred to it. We have no problem with this here and rarely step in as long as it does not become 'bashing' as we do not tolerate it ourselves. :nono In fact if you search the forums you will see where it has even been stopped in the past. We do not however censor opinions or experiences others wish to share in a civil manor r even the names of other sites if they choose to use them in our forums.

I would hope you understand this and continue to visit.



Posted by apogee on April 16 2004,10:45 am
Quote (JeepCachr @ April 16 2004,9:29 am)
Just a newbie observation. At first I was impressed with the open and friendly atmosphere here. Its wearing off. The constant bashing of that other site is making me want to visit here less.

Sorry, JeepCachr, I didn't mean to turn this into a site-bashing thread.  Actually, I can understand where Jeremy is coming from, having been a poor, struggling student myself once.  I think I'd have a hard time resisting temptation when all those I think we should pay because the site is valuable types start chiming in.  They overlook the fact that it's members' geocaching contributions that make the site worth coming back to and that every monthly/annual fee has to be paid out of the family budget which can be a burden for some people.  Recurring charges never go away.  They usually increase after people are locked in [think cable TV].

There are ways to keep a site free without premium memberships.  Voluntary contributions are fine.  So are donations from participating merchants.  I bought my GPSr from offroute.com just so I could "give a little back".  Some people seem to like the idea of two-tiered membership because it makes them feel "special".  I don't.  It just adds to the attitude problem that drives visitors away.  

If we want to keep the sport free and open, it's important to speak up about such issues.  I see a real threat in having the gc database become proprietary.  Sure, people can move their listings over here, but most won't and we'll all be poorer for the loss.  If that sounds like bashing, sorry, but it's nothing compared to the flames that feed the other forum.

Posted by GeoRockers on April 16 2004,5:04 pm
Greetings to All!

Quote (JeepCachr @ April 16 2004,6:29 am)
Just a newbie observation. At first I was impressed with the open and friendly atmosphere here. Its wearing off. The constant bashing of that other site is making me want to visit here less.


Sorry about that!  Please accept my apologies.


George

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