Forum: Where's George
Topic: How many Geocachers are "Georgers"?
started by: Quinn
Posted by Quinn on Aug. 21 2001,6:58 pmI have been in a slightly heated debate in the "Wheres George" website forums about using Geocaching as a means to log "George" dollars. Some people say that it is not a valid way of moving the bills due to the fact that other Geocachers will know where to find them, thus enabling them to pad the hit ratio on the "George" website. Now I guess it's my fault that I never sat down and fully looked over all the rules and FAQ's, but I can't see how placing or finding a "wheres George" dollar bill in a cache is any different than having it handed to you as change. Nobody ever really knows when and if a "George" bill will be placed in any certain Geocache just as much as you are not certain someone will hand you one as change. What are the thoughts you have on this?
Posted by Guest on Aug. 21 2001,8:05 pmWell having placed them in caches myself I hardly see the harm or how it would "pad" the hit ratio.
I don't see anyone driving cross country to a cache just because it contains a WG bill and, in my case, I had them for several weeks before placing them.
Guess you could always place and log them as NaviCash instead. Hmmmm, maybe not a bad idea actually.
Posted by Scout on Aug. 21 2001,8:06 pmIt's their game, let them set the ground rules. If the consensus on the WheresGeorge site is that moving dollar bills around in geocaches is somehow an artificial circulation not in the spirit of the WheresGeorge pastime, then I'd be inclined to accept their opinion and quit placing WheresGeorge bills in caches.
Posted by Quinn on Aug. 21 2001,9:05 pmThats a good point but as I am also a signed up member it makes it my game as well. It's still a split on if it is or if it isn't a valid way of moving the bills. I like it because i can also see where the bill has moved to once it has been picked up from a cache. But yes, a site does have rules and if this is added then I will go with the general feeling on this.
Posted by YardBoy on Aug. 21 2001,10:43 pmWOW! It's a HOT, but not unlikely thread in the WheresGeorge (WG) Forum:
< http://www.wheresgeorge.com/pf_main2/messages/998395502_944.html >
WG & caching have co-existed nicely for some time. I've seen more & more posts on WG Forums of people enjoying the 2 similar activities. Hey, both groups are obsessive seekers. The only complaint I recall recently was that a caching discussion in the WG Main Forum would be considered off-topic & better placed in the Lost TechnoSphere Forum.
I think today's angst came mostly from a WG User Note that read "Received from my brother". WG has a guideline of Natural Circulation & misunderstood words can start a fire (flame). My advice: attribute your find to the randomness of the cache, not family/friends or anything that might be construed as complicity. In addition, WG bills that travel fast attract attention. If you cache out of town like some of us, don't rush to enter a WG bill into the system. A bill from Syracuse, 70 miles away, may have just been entered into the WG system that morning.
Hiding bills in caches is a Natural extension of putting bills onto helium balloons or in library books, charity offerings, new baby gifts, etc. Have fun & read the many stories of WG circulation in the WG Forums.
Posted by Quinn on Aug. 22 2001,5:01 pmI fully understand and will take note of this. I never realized how gung-ho some of those Georgers can be, you would have thought they were playing for millions in prizes and cash But thats the way it goes. I do love a good debate though, it was fun tit-fer-tatting with fellow Georgers :biggrin:
Posted by YardBoy on Aug. 23 2001,8:51 pmThe NaviGeorgeing posts started up again in the WheresGeorge.com (WG) Public Forum:
< http://www.wheresgeorge.com/pf_main2/messages/998591743_21781.html >
The general consensus seems to be positive for the WG bills we've been caching all along. Personally, the easiest gift I can carry is a bill & most of you know that I "naturally" carry Georges. There's even a post in today's thread from the WG webmaster, Hank, and as they say in the Islands: "he run tings". Here's his copy:
I haven't had time to read all the posts about geo-caching with WG bills, but I don't really see any problem with it specifically.
BUT PLEASE NOTE: THIS DOES NOT MEAN that people can start saying, "well, this is almost like geo-caching, so it should be OK" or any other type of justification of circulation that isn't natural. I don't want emails or posts asking permission for exceptions to the rule.
I'll repeat again: GEOCACHING with WG bills ITSELF is OK, but no other variant, however close or well justified is acceptable. If anyone sends me an email that starts out "I saw your post about geocaching... and I want to know if what I do is OK..." it will be deleted. The answer is NO.
Where's George? and Geo-caching are both about having fun and doing something unique on/with the internet. If you take it so seriously that the "fun" part is entirely removed, and all you do is argue about what is or isn't acceptable, what's the point?
For me, part of liking WG is liking Hank's style :cool:
Posted by CameraThyme on Mar. 10 2002,4:31 pmI can admit it.. and get this one out of the closet.....
I'm a Georger.... It's an obcessive compulsive thing for awhile. You stamp all those bills that come into your hands, then spend them. I think using them as Where's Geo .. Bills is awesome. It's an existing system for tracking that doesn't need a secondary numbering system.
Posted by Firemedic on April 05 2002,3:36 pmI do both now!
< http://www.wheresgeorge.com/report.....&entcnt >
Posted by TT120 on Oct. 01 2002,12:38 amI use a george as a signature item in caches as well as leave other stuff.
Posted by mrski on Oct. 01 2002,6:49 amUsing George's as cache trade is very handy. Not only for times when you run across a cache too small for anything else you may have. But also for those times you come across a cache and don't have anything else to trade. I mark every bill in my possession so I always have something to leave.
Posted by Gimpy on Oct. 01 2002,1:26 pmI'm a georger as well. But as far as my hit count goes, don't know & don't care. I just like seeing how far the bills travel. Just like I couldn't care less what my cache hide/find count is. It's all about the adventure.
Posted by Scout on Oct. 01 2002,2:48 pm
I've made this pitch before, but I'd like it if we could mark every item we put in a cache and turn it into a hitchhiker, just like you mark every bill in your wallet. The contents of a cache then become a lot more interesting. How far have all those items traveled? Even McToys take on a new interest if they have a history you can track.
Posted by Cracker7M on Oct. 01 2002,6:49 pmWow!
I see YardBoy is rated No.1 for the whole state of NY......
Posted by Quinn on Oct. 01 2002,9:52 pm
Yardboy was the one that got me hooked on "George Bills", but like Gimpy I too do not care for the stats, this is just another way for me to know that a cache I was at was just found and also to see how far the bills travel.
I have noticed however that people (members) from the George site take that activity quite seriously due to the past e-mails I have gotten from them about my hit ratio.
I think if they knew my address they would drag me outside by the heels and tar and feather me.
Posted by Guest on Oct. 16 2002,5:33 pmWe placed a george dollar in our vacation cache in Pueblo, Co.
The bill has made it's way all the way to WA. How cool is that?
< http://www.wheresgeorge.com/report.....4834ab5 >
Posted by Magpie on Oct. 16 2002,6:37 pmIt always amazes me just how far a bill does go. I was a Georger way before I was a cacher and as a matter of fact it was Georging that got me into the sport.
I think that using George bills in caches is quite fine and should not be considered a problem by those die hard Georgers.
Actually I am more interested myself in where the bill goes and how long it took than any stats offered.
Posted by Morseman on Nov. 22 2002,4:32 am
Just entered my 1st (an at the moment only) $ Bill.
I had a problem with the ZIP code at first, as I'd cut and pasted the local codes into excel and it had stripped out the leading zero. (Doh!)
The only problem is that the nearest ZIP code is about 150 miles away!
So, I am thinking of putting this bill into a cache, and have written "www.wheresgeorge.com" on the bill. Should I do anything else? I'm thinking of putting it in a watertight bag, with an explanation of what Where's George is about.
Did anything come of the idea of a Where's George on Navicache come to anything? Or, maybe I should make it a Hitch Hiker (noticed the new feature when I logged in).
Oh, and hi again everyone, been a bit busy lately. ;-)
Posted by YardBoy on Nov. 22 2002,7:07 amGreetings from the subcontinent (India). It's great to have another NaviGeorger!
By "local codes", I trust you didn't mean UK pincodes, rather US Zip Codes in Foreign Countries (US embassies, military bases, and the like). By bending the WG rules (your computer is probably not at an embassy or military base), you have to settle for those 150mi tolerances. I'm forced to use Diego Garcia (military) which is nowhere near Chennai (Madras).
An explanation of WG in a plastic bag is good while other Georgers explain it in their writing on the bill, e.g. Rubber Stamp Ideas & Suggestions
WG on NaviCache (or NaviGeorging) is the perfect HitchHiker: easy to keep in your pocket ready for a NaviCache AND fits nicely into over-stuffed NaviCaches. There was a slight discussion on WG re: the rule of "natural distribution" via caches that ended favorably... so game on!
Posted by axcion on Oct. 23 2003,5:08 amI am an addicted Georger as well. Georgin has brought me to caching. I do place WG bills in caches. I do tend to place a note with them stating that this George is trying to get to "XXXX" location, please enter me at wg, and move me along whichever direction the location is.
I have NOT noticed any increase in the number or frequency of hits on any bill on the average. Some bills are just lucky and get hit more often.
WG is a lot of fun, but cacheing gets me off of my butt and outside in the sunshine!
Posted by Quinn on Oct. 23 2003,5:41 pmI also place George bills in Caches when i go out. I have noticed though that a very large percent of my hits come only from Cache hunts. i think it is more fun to just sit back and watch the time span betwen cache hits and the George logs.
It's a nice relationship if you ask me betwen caching and Georging.
Posted by axcion on Nov. 09 2003,2:17 amUnfortunately due to some recent talks with other cachers in my area, I have had to go to Laminating my georges
The general consensus is...take all cash out of the cache! Obstensably to collectup for a given time period and then forward to GC.com to become a Premium member.
Sorry, If I wanted to help the owner of GC.com become the Bill Gates of Geocaching, I'd buy his freakin $6.50 each travel bugs. or his other way too darned expensive trinkets!
I'd rather pay too much for Navicache stuff. At least you folks don't require aerial photos every time I place a cache near an abandoned railroad (no tracks left even)!
Posted by PC Medic on Nov. 09 2003,5:33 am
Problem with this metod is that you are then outside the rules of "Where's George' which state the bill is supposed to be obtained from and returned to normal circulation. In fact, placing them in caches at all was questioned in the beginning but was deemed acceptable.
Another issue with laminating them may come from the U.S. Treasury's rules !
Posted by Quinn on Nov. 09 2003,7:27 am
Look for our Navicache BMW's and Mercedes cars coming soon!
I have been trying to think of a very unique way to place a cache based around "wheres george"
look for it soon you locals to my area!
Posted by axcion on Nov. 17 2003,12:47 amI have this problem with people using MY money to benefit themselves. When I place a WG bill in a cache with a little note asking that they move it along to another cache. This is common place. Most of the WG$ I have happened across have these notes. I had placed several with notes saying this bill wants to go to Maine, Montana, or the like, unfortunately 2 of them had hit notes....recieved at bank whilst cashig check. Arrrgh!
Laminating them kinda makes it hard for the bill and the note to become separated!
Posted by dead_white_man on Jan. 30 2004,3:51 pm
I personally love for people to take them and spend them. I like to see how they move in normal circulation. I run consistantly about 6% hits through regular circulation.
Posted by Guest on Feb. 09 2004,7:28 pmIn March of 2002 while living in Rochester, N.Y. my wife came home with a George bill. That bill gave us the link to Navicache.com. My life hasn't been the same since. Well today, while in Co. my wife came home with another g-bill.
It's kinda weird because Navicache is where it all begun for us. And for what is going on in my life, I feel it's like a clue. Do you understand that........... Anyways I hope to see and find alot more g-bills out here in Colorado.
I also plan on hiding a lot more NAVICACHES too.
Posted by YardBoy on Feb. 10 2004,4:35 pm
Now who would put a NaviCache reference in their WG User Note? Or make it a clickable link by using the code below, replacing
"(" with "<"
")" with ">"
"?" with "/"
(a href="http:??www.navicache.com?" target="_blank")specific NaviCache name(?a)
Posted by Guest on Feb. 10 2004,5:15 pmWow, this is to weird. For two days in a row my wife came home with a G-Bill. I just entered one of them, and the bill came all the way from Buffalo, N.Y. 179 days ago. This is what the user,s note says
In my user's note I said this
They might even know upinyachit, lol
Posted by YardBoy on Feb. 10 2004,5:20 pm
Too bad you don't give us the WG URLs. After you enter the bill, the site tells you the linking URL
Posted by Guest on Feb. 10 2004,5:29 pm< the buffalo bill >
Chit, while I am at it, here is the other G-Bill she got yesterday.
This one is cool too, it has been almost been an exact year.:grinnin
< another G-bill >
Posted by YardBoy on Feb. 10 2004,7:32 pm
Perfect posting of the WG links. Now we can all follow the money.
BTW, this Buffalo bill is from Scott, #1 commercial Georger in NY. He works in a post office at the retail counter and Georges every bill that comes thru the drawers. Many of us have been George-ing our personal money, our pocket change since 1998. Scott started in 2001 and like other "commies", he's turning WheresGeorge into HowManyGeorge. I wish the WG webmaster had never decided to create a George Score that rewards quantity.