Forum: Using The Website
Topic: Bringing my caches to Navicache
started by: Damenace
Posted by Damenace on Sep. 23 2004,6:03 pmI am not new to geocaching, however I am new to Navicache. I am in the process of posting all of my caches to this site for all to enjoy. I am well aware of the issue with virtuals and that it takes something spectacular to get one posted. My question is can I bring all of my virtuals that I have created, or are they going to go through all of the scrutiny that virtuals go through? My point being is technically they are new to Navicache but they have been active elsewhere for some time now.
Posted by welch on Sep. 23 2004,7:46 pmI believe Navicache takes a cache by cache basis to such things . But shoot them an email and see what they say (or wait a day and I'm pretty sure someone will come by here and give you an offical answer).
Posted by PC Medic on Sep. 23 2004,7:55 pmVitruals are fine (not reverse). We of course review and consider all cache listing submissions, but it takes far less than anything spectacular to get them approved.
When listing them, just be sure to enter the actual date the cache was placed and not the date you are submitting the listing.
Posted by Damenace on Sep. 24 2004,6:02 pmThank you for your help, I have started to move my caches over to here. In addtion I have already placed a new cache and posted that one here as well.
Posted by PC Medic on Sep. 24 2004,6:21 pmBy the way....welcome to Navicache!
Thing you will find it is a pretty friendly bunch here.
Posted by MOCKBA on Sep. 27 2004,2:06 pmApologies for (probably) a FAQ ... I just started to think about scripting the transfer of cache info from the other site (since I've got dozens of 'em and it may be a pain to do it completely by hand). But ...
do you guys support HTML (or any substitute notations) on the cache pages?
BTW it was a pleasant surprise to discover Damenace's new hide in our area. I was very tempted to try to get it amidst the morning traffic before work ( it would have been my 2nd Navi find, yeehoo! ) But since the description calls for stealth, stealth, stealth ...
Posted by PC Medic on Sep. 27 2004,3:41 pm
Yes, HTML is permitted within the cache description. One difference you will need to note is that while completing our form it will auto-wrap at the end of each line in the text box so unless you want a new line on the actual page, do not press [ENTER] or insert a
This is especially important when entering HTML in your description so it does not break the code. If using a cut and paste method you may need to remove carriage returns to avoid any issues.
Posted by Damenace on Sep. 28 2004,4:43 amHey Mockba glad to see you haven't given it up completely! It has been a pleasure and quite the experience to solve your caches, I was truly saddened at the thought of you hanging it up. I feel some of the very thoughts and feelings you have expressed, but was afraid of being banished for voicing them. So here is the start of a new chapter. I was so excited to start this new chapter I just had to hide a new cache at 3:30 am after work so I didn't have to worry about not being stealthy. I plan on releasing a bunch of new caches soon.
Posted by MOCKBA on Sep. 28 2004,10:09 am
no I didn't really give up completely since I may be, against odds, still keeping hope that Groundspeak will change some of its most ugly ways. Like restore access to Buxley's and de-criminalize work with .gpx/.loc formats?
Although it was very disappointing to hear nothing from our state cachers' Association (I understand that individual geocachers may feel very intimidated by Groundspeak, but a whole bunch of them taken together should IMVHO be more persistent and courageous in defending its interests!)
But my biggest reason for keeping it alive is even more basic. I just don't feel like yanking out, or abandoning, my hides. I feel that any such action would signal complete disrespect to the local caching community. So ... gotta find a logical way to maintain and upgrade the caches, and log the status changes without going to geocaching.com website. It looks like re-listing with Navi is the most straightforward technical solution!
By the way there are pretty cool local GPS hunts outside of the realm of both caching sites. Did you notice the Lizard Toads challenge on UTAG forums? Of course the main $500 prize has been claimed already but you still have until Saturday to find a few stages of the challenge, and to join the raffle at DHobby's. And in all likelihood, our winning Yellowback / PsiGuys team will be hosting the next Challenge Games later in the fall!
Posted by PC Medic on Sep. 28 2004,10:40 amJust curious, what issues are arising over there with regards to the .gpx/.loc files ?
Posted by MOCKBA on Sep. 28 2004,1:39 pm
I am neither a true geek nor a lawyer, so please don't take my impressions as the final truth. There is a discussion on Buxley's, and related issues, regularly attended by Groundspeak admins and personell, in their general forum.
It appears that their legal agreements have been amended to incude, among other nasty stuff, some intentionally vague language about data formats.
Among the banned activities are:
- disassembling and reverse-engineering of their XML formats by 3rd party applications
- using their namespaces for non-Groundspeak data
People on the thread pointed to (mildly speaking) inconsistencies in their approach. E.g. they promote GSAK which is relying on GPSbabel, and the latter is a 3rd party tool for "disassembling" blah blah. The junior members of Groundspeak team responded to this saying that while they aren't lawyers, they assure that Groundspeak won't prosecute certain specific, and common, kinds of "violations".
Then somebody mentioned Navicache, and at this point Jeremy interjected, in a starkingly different tone. Jeremy was basically implying that their legal language is purposedly vague, and that they may enforce it selectively, only against those he doesn't like. He was like "Hire your own lawyers, I am not gonna make your life any easier by promising that we won't prosecute this or that".
Posted by PC Medic on Sep. 28 2004,2:21 pmI do not know why the tone would change with the mention of Navicache as contrary to what some have tried to lead others to think, we pull absolutely nothing from them (or anyone for that matter). All of our data is submitted directly and in fact we share our data with others for their sites (stats and mapping services mostly). So no concerns here other than the disruption it is once again causing the geocaching community.
As for their namespace being used for non GC.com data , seems to me this will only drive site owners to distance themselves.
I am assuming their reverse engineering of their xml formats is an attempt to prevent others from writing utilities to migrate their data. Certainly could be done without any reverse engineering and certainly seems energy would be better spent not giving folks reason to migrate in the first place. Their business I guess so they can run it the way they want.
We on the other hand are going to remain on the friendly side and try to keep 'community' in the game.
Posted by Damenace on Sep. 28 2004,3:52 pm
And that would be why I migrated here!!!
Posted by BiciMapas on May 09 2005,9:31 amHello
My name is Alberto Najera. Thanks for allowing me to enter as a Navicache.com member. Geocaching is an activity that just recently is starting to be known and practiced in Mexico. I am the publisher of www.bicimapas.com.mx which offers free mountain bike routes in Mexico based on topo maps and GPS. I see geocaching as a great way to explore new places with a mountain bike, topo maps and GPS so am planning to report a series of caches that would take the “hunters” to outstanding landscapes within our country. At the beginning these will be virtual caches in which the seeker will have to get to the location and then take a picture of himself with the same background as the sample picture which will be uploaded as part of the cache information, so that the seeker will have to carry this picture with her/him to take the shot in the correct direction. Further information on geocaching will be posted in a special section of BiciMapas website.
Being new to the caching sites, I was unaware that virtual caches were not accepted everywhere and after attempting uploading it in other sites and getting denials, I was happy to see that it was accepted at Navicache just a few hours after I posted it. You can see it at
< http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/displaycache2.pl?CacheID=6512 >
so thank you for your openess.
Finally, one question/request:
Am I allowed to place links from my website to the caches I post in Navicache? Of course I will give all the credits that you deem necessary.
Thank you and congratulations for your commitment to geocaching
Posted by PC Medic on May 09 2005,5:27 pm
Welcome to Navicache.com
Regarding your question, if you mean can you place a link on your site similar to the one you have placed above, of course this is OK.
Posted by chloderic on June 27 2005,11:44 am
Hi, you wrote:
"This is especially important when entering HTML in your description so it does not break the code."
Thats what happend to me. How can i correct this ?
Sorry for this question, I think it was answered, but I am not able to find this ...:-(
Posted by PC Medic on June 27 2005,4:29 pmIf you go to your cache page there is an 'Edit Cache' option in the top menu.
From here you can remove the extra carriage returns "
" or any other changes you need to make.
If you still have problems please < click here > and drop us a message.
Posted by chloderic on June 27 2005,4:59 pm
Oh, thanks ... I havent seen this ( )