Forum: Using The Website
Topic: Open Log?
started by: welch
Posted by welch on Mar. 01 2004,4:41 pmI just today noticed
Would you like to give other
caching sites permission to
use or list your log entry?"
Is this new? Who would these non-commerical sites be? and what sort of thing would they use it for??
To answer your question, Yes this checkbox is new. We decided that while we promote an open caching community, there are some that for what ever reason may not want their data used outside the Navicache site. This new checkbox that is available both when submitting a new cache or making a log entry was added to provide individuals a way to indicate their preference.
Please understand that this function does not at this time prevent the data from being retrieved within the file, it simply sets a flag to indicate your preference to the party retrieving the data.
Posted by welch on Mar. 02 2004,5:50 pmIs this a now and into the future thing?
Or is there a need to go back to all previous material and check a bunch of boxes??
Not that it will affect anything (the way im understanding it).
Posted by PC Medic on Mar. 02 2004,8:33 pmThe default was/is "No", you now have the option to change it if you like. Do you need to?, probably not
Posted by GeoRockers on Mar. 04 2004,6:34 pmGreetings welch!
A non-commercial site could be your local or regional caching group.
Posted by Renegade Knight on Mar. 08 2004,9:10 pmI don't have a problem with my "information" being used for stats, or sites like buxleys maps etc. I do have a huge problem with a cache being listed on any other site. As for logs I've always figureed they were allready on the net and were pretty much accessable. However a simple link to this site where my log resides is where things should end up at in my opinion.
This entire concept interests me though and I'd like to track it.
Posted by eigengott on Mar. 09 2004,3:47 pm
Do i understand right, that all old entries (before this new option was introduced) have the flag set to "no"?
I would consider this as a "close" of the existing database. Even though you don't enforce/use that flag *yet*...
Posted by GeoRockers on Mar. 09 2004,9:30 pmGreetings to All!
You are in good company. Your sentiment has been expressed by those who have found their cache(s) listed without their permission.
You are correct, the default setting is "no".
The most restrictive flag was chosen as the default in order to prevent more suprises like the one mentioned above.
I disagree. The database is still accessible.
It is the cache owner or log author that must explictly give their permission for their cache information/log to be used for non-commercial or unrestricted use.
Imagine if the default setting was "yes, unrestricted".
How would you feel if you found your cache information/log entry included in the "Low cost family fun" disc, with a retail cost of $30?
Personally, I believe the "opt-in" philosophy is better than the "opt-out" philosophy...
I should point out that my point of view may be prejudiced by my experience with my yahoo e-mail box... it's full of spam because I missed one of the three pages to "opt-out".
As is the cache information, otherwise, no one would be able to post a find!
Posted by welch on Mar. 09 2004,9:56 pm
Can you explain this more? (or will that cause more problems?)
*Whole* cache listings were being 'copied', or just part(s) of info??
Posted by GeoRockers on Mar. 10 2004,9:27 amGreetings to All!
NaviCache supports an open caching environment by providing easy access to the entire cache/logs database.
This unfortunate sequence of events made it appear as if the data was stolen.
The result was numerous e-mail by concerned cachers informing us that another site stole their cache information, along with the logs, and that the cacher had not given his/her/their permission for the cache to be listed at that site.
The compromise (delayed by my recovery from an accident) was the addition of the 'open cache' and 'open log' entries and the situation where the cache owner/log author must explicitly declare the cache information/log entry as open for non-commercial use or open for unrestricted use.
Posted by welch on Mar. 10 2004,4:01 pmOk. More questions:
How does this work if everyone just leaves it at the default 'No'. Does this mean that those xml files have nothing in them? Or just info from before the choice was added?(or did the feature add a retro 'No' to everything?)
Or is there just more stuff in the files telling what parts are no and which are yes?
Also, what is used to decide if the use is commercial or not? and who does this?
Posted by PC Medic on Mar. 10 2004,4:23 pmEven with the flag defaulted to 'No', all the caches/logs remain available via the XML interface just as they have been. The difference is that the resulting file now contains additional information including the new flag to tell the recieving party which cache owners agree to let them use their cache listing or logs.
Some examples of commercial use would be a site which required a subscription fee in order to obtain/view any of the data derived from this file or purchase of a CD which included any or all of this data.
Posted by eigengott on Mar. 11 2004,2:01 am
What if the receiving party ignores the new flag and uses all entries, even those wich (now) clearly say "no"? Will you close down the XML feed on them?
Posted by GeoRockers on Mar. 12 2004,12:03 amGreetings to All!
We're always happy to answer questions.
open_cache and open_log (the stuff) was added to DTD.
open_cache and open_log signifies which caches/logs are not open (no), open for non-commercial use (non_commercial_use_only), or open for any use (unrestricted).
And, yes, you could say that the open_cache/open_log feature added a retroactive 'No' to everything.
Here is a sample of the XML data:
This cache and log were declared as open for non-commercial use only.
All the caches and logs also remain available via the HTML interface (web browser), otherwise, no one would be able to view the cache information/logs or log a find.