Forum: Using The Website
Topic: geocaching industry trade association
started by: Scout

Posted by Scout on April 25 2002,9:07 am
Marty Fouts, on news:alt.rec.geocaching, is proposing "an 'industry trade association' which establishes an open interchange format for basic cache information. This plus the membership agreeing to support a small number of common queries usable by anyone for personal use."

Sounds good to me. I hope you cooperate with his efforts.
Posted by Rob on April 25 2002,10:23 am
Not sure what this means and my news server doesn’t carry alt.rec.geocaching .  Does anyone know of a web based site that would allow me to read that group?
Thanks
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Posted by Scout on April 25 2002,12:25 pm
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my news server doesn’t carry alt.rec.geocaching .  Does anyone know of a web based site that would allow me to read that group?

< http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=alt.rec.geocaching >

A free news server that does carry alt.rec.geocaching is news.cis.dfn.de . You can register for it at < http://news.cis.dfn.de/en/register.html >


Posted by PC Medic on April 26 2002,3:14 pm
a standard format would be great (and we have proposed this ourselves in the past). Seems some others were not very interested at the time though.though.
Posted by Scout on April 26 2002,7:06 pm
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a standard format would be great (and we have proposed this ourselves in the past). Seems some others were not very interested at the time though.though.

And I don't think the situation has changed any.

I guess what might set NaviCache apart might be some public statement giving the conditions under which its collection of waypoints might be bulk downloaded as well as publishing the format and interfaces needed to do it.

By the way, I'm kind of out of date here. Does NaviCache support downloads of multiple caches at all? Can I do a Zip Code search and download all the caches within, say, 100 miles?


Posted by Morseman on April 27 2002,4:38 am
I looked on alt.rec.geocaching but could't find the thread!

What is the heading please?

Thanks.
Posted by Alan2 on April 27 2002,5:22 am
I support the idea of open exchange of data and a non-profit geocaching organization.  However, I wouldn't think calling it a "trade association" is a good idea.  It smacks of representing businesses, manufacturers, etc. rather then the public geocaching interest.  If we're interested in projecting the best positive image for example to help open up parks for geocaching, keeping it non-business would be a better approach in my opinion.  Otherwise we'll sound like a bunch of peddlers.

Alan
Posted by Scout on April 27 2002,7:38 am
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I looked on alt.rec.geocaching but could't find the thread! What is the heading please?

Look for the thread "Open cache database."

If you can't find it on your news server, check here: < http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=alt.rec.geocaching >
Posted by Scout on April 27 2002,7:45 am
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I wouldn't think calling it a "trade association" is a good idea.  It smacks of representing businesses, manufacturers, etc. rather then the public geocaching interest.

The suggested organization is aimed at Web site developers, not the public geocaching interest at large. And geocaching.com, the biggest geocaching Web site, IS a business.  But an organization is all a moot point anyway. geocaching.com is not going to join any organization.

What I hope comes out of this is NaviCache.com setting a good example by opening its database, enabling value-added development by the geocaching community. geocaching.com's revenue-driven model is not the only way for a hobby to thrive.


Posted by Morseman on April 27 2002,8:56 am
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Look for the thread "Open cache database."


Thanks found the thread now.  :)

DFN carries the newsgroup, no problem there, I just couldn't spot which thread related to the discussion.
Posted by GeoRockers on April 28 2002,3:32 pm
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the conditions under which its collection of waypoints might be bulk downloaded

The truth is, anyone who reads and understands the RFC's for http and html can already do so.

I wrote a utility in Aug 2001 which could bulk download cache info.

This utility converts the data into a format usable by GPSS, a free mapping program, and can download the waypoints to a Garmin eTrex or Magellan, in one of three naming conventions.

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as well as publishing the format and interfaces needed to do it.

By the way, I'm kind of out of date here. Does NaviCache support downloads of multiple caches at all? Can I do a Zip Code search and download all the caches within, say, 100 miles?


The development plan has existed since late Dec 2001/early Jan 2002... hopefully, you have noticed some of the changes.

Announcements are made *after* implementation... but sometimes hints are given, so watch the forums! :D
Posted by Scout on April 28 2002,4:52 pm
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The truth is, anyone who reads and understands the RFC's for http and html can already do so.

I realize that if I can access the data using a Web browser, I can automate it with a script or utility. There are several problems with this. Formats of Web pages change frequently, often obsoleting such utilities. Hitting Web pages in bulk puts a strain on Web servers. More direct methods are gentler on the servers. Finally, most important, a site's terms of use might forbid such behavior, or insist that data acquired from the Web site not be republished in any form. This last one makes it impossible for geocachers to share their personal value-added work with others. geocaching.com has  particularly restrictive terms of service.
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