Forum: Southern and Southeast Regions
Topic: Western NC (Asheville area)
started by: GPS Outdoors

Posted by GPS Outdoors on April 28 2010,5:28 pm
We're trying to get some more folks together to 'cache in the area.  Why post here?  a number of reasons, but here are the top two...

1. Quality caches from a "smaller" community
2. Not quite so many hang-ups here (what we hear anyhow) about Christians caching.

We want to sponser some small events (day-trips) and eventually, some LONG events with an overnight backpacking trip.  Presently, we're focusing on getting our various youth ministries out to play.  Of course, there's nothing llike a good cache hunt while fly-fishing (at least SOMETHING gets caught, hehe).

Anyhow, if anyones interested in caching with some fellow Christians, we'd be more than happy to have you (and your GPSr) along.



Posted by DudleyGrunt on April 28 2010,6:25 pm
Welcome to Navicache!   Join us in the < Chat Room > on Monday (5/3) to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the first geocache.
Posted by KFL on April 28 2010,8:58 pm
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Anyhow, if anyones interested in caching with some fellow Christians, we'd be more than happy to have you (and your GPSr) along.

I am not from that area, but I still wonder: why should the religion of my fellow geocachers matter for me? That question never crossed my mind. I never asked and don't know what most of them believe. I simply don't care.

Please don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with what you wrote. I just don't get the connection between geocaching and religion.

Posted by DudleyGrunt on April 29 2010,7:50 am
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Please don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with what you wrote. I just don't get the connection between geocaching and religion.

I can't speak for Earl or < GPS Outdoors (GPSO) >, but as part of the leadership team for Geocachers4Christ (GC4C), I'll just try to answer your question from my perspective.

A little background...
From posts he made on GC4C when he signed up this week, I know he was also interested in placing caches with a Christian them, such as possibly a puzzle using information gathered from the Bible.  I'd advised that, depending on how he set them up and which reviewer he got, he should be able to publish something along those lines at Groundpeask.

I don't see why a cache based on information based on the Bible should be disallowed any more than from some other literary source, so advised him that neither Navicache nor TerraCaching have the same "hang-ups" about perceived "agendas" and might be a good place to look at publishing such a cache.

Now on to your actual question...
GPSO is an organization that encourages and organizes nature based Christian fellowship and study outings.

From their website:
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GPS Outdoors is an outdoor ministry started by Pastor Gene Blankenship and Earl Tilton of  Land of the Sky Cowboy Church in an effort to bring fellow outdoors lovers closer to Christ through our common fellowship.  

We like to call it "Church in the dirt".


Again, not speaking for them, but if it were me or something done by GC4C, ALL cachers would be welcome, as long as they were comfortable with the non-caching aspects of the outing.

I'll save my reasons for my dislike for "religion" (vs. relationship or faith) for another time and place, though.

Posted by KFL on April 29 2010,8:14 am
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[quote=KFL,April 28 2010,10:58 pm]I don't see why a cache based on information based on the Bible should be disallowed any more than from some other literary source, so advised him that neither Navicache nor TerraCaching have the same "hang-ups" about perceived "agendas" and might be a good place to look at publishing such a cache.


I agree. In fact even Groundspeak (or at least out reviewer) doesn't seem to care too much: I recently did a cache here which involved finding information in the bible. As long as I can simply search for that, this is no problem and in the case of the bible really easy because the full text is available on the web. If I would have to go and read the whole thing it would be something different, but that would be the same for every book that big.

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I'll save my reasons for my dislike for "religion" (vs. relationship or faith) for another time and place, though.


I am sorry if I wrote something offending. In German "religion" and "faith" are not the same thing. While someone may have faith in a lot of things, they do not necessarily have to be related to a religion. I would put 'faith' closer to 'trust' than to 'religion'. Isn't this the same in English?
"Relationship" is a really general word. Almost everything and everyone has a relationship to other things or persons.

Posted by DudleyGrunt on April 29 2010,10:51 am
Quote (KFL @ April 29 2010,10:14 am)
Quote (KFL @ April 28 2010,10:58 pm)
I'll save my reasons for my dislike for "religion" (vs. relationship or faith) for another time and place, though.


I am sorry if I wrote something offending. In German "religion" and "faith" are not the same thing. While someone may have faith in a lot of things, they do not necessarily have to be related to a religion. I would put 'faith' closer to 'trust' than to 'religion'. Isn't this the same in English?
"Relationship" is a really general word. Almost everything and everyone has a relationship to other things or persons.

Not at all!  Most people do use the term "religion" when talking about someone's faith in God.  And in many ways, that's just fine.

I have a t-shirt that says, "Christianity is not a Religion" (on the front) and something along the lies of "Religion is people trying to work / earn their way to heaven.  Christianity is God seeking to have a relationship with his people thru His Son and their response (through their faith in Him).

It's a bit "inside baseball" to most people, but it's how I look it.



Posted by GPS Outdoors on April 29 2010,5:20 pm
Firstly... Dave, I understand you don't want to speak for me but you did a pretty good job of saying just about everything I wanted to say, LOL... thanks (no sarcasm... it's a real "thank-you").

Second... I really didn't want to begin a big theological debate on a forum I just joined into a few days ago.  Don't get me wrong, I'm more than happy to debate and discuss 'till the campfire dies to embers but I prefer it in person.

Anyhow... back onto the topic at hand... :)  I'm still looking for fellow cachers who would like to join us.  I really should have stated that ANYONE is welcome (Christian or otherwise) but the day will have a strong Christian flavor.  We're not here to convert.

Monday, I hope to have some caches placed in the Asheville, NC area near a church that is going to start working with us.  They may not be Navicache quality but they're primarily to show the youth group what it's about next week without having to transport 20 kids.  I'll probably post one if I think it's good enough (quality of container, quality of hide, etc)

*edited for spelling*



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