Search Members Help

» Welcome Guest
[ Log In :: Register ]

Pages: (2) < [1] 2 >

[ Track this topic :: Email this topic :: Print this topic ]

reply to topic new topic new poll
Topic: Under New Management, Navicache changes hands< Next Oldest | Next Newest >
Gizzle007 Offline
Navicacher




Group: Super Administrators
Posts: 9
Joined: April 2012
    Posted: April 24 2012,8:05 pm QUOTE

First a thank you to Dave Self for calling us to task on this in his FB group Geocachers Unlimited for not posting here sooner. We meant to get on here and post the news sooner but got caught up in the excitement of taking on the new site and making plans.

http://www.madcacher.com/new/navicache-com-acquisition/

As some of you may have seen, this site was put up for sale by the previous owner Brian (PC Medic). We contacted him, struck a deal and are very happy to announce that this site will stay a geocaching resource, in the hands of geocachers. The deal was closed last week and we have since been finalizing the transfer of the website, responding to questions about the purchase and putting together a plan for what we want to do. We'd like to thank Brian for working with us on the transfer and being so easy to work with.

So who are we? We're the two man team behind a geocaching blog you may have seen (or at least we hope) before: www.madcacher.com.

What can you expect for Navicache? In the immediate future things will stay as they currently are, but that doesn't mean we're not working hard to bring you a better site! An ounce of planning is worth a pound of cure and to that end we want and need to take our time developing a plan to update the site graphics and functionality. Step 1 will be converting the site from a PERL backbone to a PHP format, then graphics etc. We're currently developing a scope of work to deliver to some coders to get pricing etc. If you are a freelance web developer and would like to be involved in the bid process, please feel free to contact us.

We're excited to have this opportunity to provide an update for a site for geocachers, run by geocachers with rules and features that geocachers want to see.

Please don't hesitate to contact us with any questions, comments, ideas etc.

Our Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/TheMadCacher
email: geofox@cachebarn.com

Thanks and cache on!
-Ej Martin


Edited by Gizzle007 on April 24 2012,8:18 pm
Back to top
Profile PM 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: April 24 2012,8:21 pm QUOTE

I think this will be appreciated by my fellow Navicachers.  From my experience and what I've been told, many visit the forums, but few post.  

In hopes of getting more to chime in, I started a thread asking for people's "Top Site Requests, Post-Sale".  Hopefully, we'll start seeing more replies.


--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
Gizzle007 Offline
Navicacher




Group: Super Administrators
Posts: 9
Joined: April 2012
    Posted: April 25 2012,7:35 am QUOTE

This is Kurt... I just wanted to chime in as well and let you all know that we have plans, but our time is also limited. EJ has a very demanding day job and I've been going through some difficult family matters. We can't always choose when things happen.

That being said, we are actively working to find a team of dedicated people to see our visions come to life. We are reticent to announce anything until we know whether or not we can raise the money and resources to make our dreams a reality. We see no value in writing checks my development capabilities can't cash.

Rest assured, we want to restore Navicache, but we also want to do is smartly. I plan to work with PC Medic more in the coming days when I finalize some things at home and see what we can do in the short term.

Please be patient! As EJ said, we are just two guys who love Geocaching and did not want to see the site fall off the map. I have to admit, we did get a chuckle out of the empire building comment. We just want to provide a great service that brings people together.

And yes, EJ will have his own admin account :-) Thank you all for reading and commenting, we'll get better at staying in touch.

Kurt
Back to top
Profile PM 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: April 25 2012,9:08 am QUOTE

Understand the need for patience.  I'm also an active TerraCacher and it has been over a year since Cash108 has taken over there.  He's still working on "TC 3.0", after having to scrap AngryKid's code for "TC 2.0".   While there has been no concrete changes to the site, yet, he's shared his progress and has been great for the site, in general.

I'm also one of the admins for OpenCaching North America (OC.us), though I'm not involved with the coding.


--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
TheMadCacher Offline
Navicacher




Group: Super Administrators
Posts: 4
Joined: April 2012
    Posted: April 25 2012,11:22 am QUOTE

For those of you who are interested, the geocaching podcast has invited us to come on for some Q&A about our plans. Here's the link;

http://www.talkshoe.com/talksho....&cmd=tc

-Ej
Back to top
Profile PM 
PC Medic Offline
Cache Master




Group: Super Administrators
Posts: 1452
Joined: Dec. 2001
    Posted: April 25 2012,4:22 pm QUOTE

Quote (Gizzle007 @ April 25 2012,9:35 am)
And yes, EJ will have his own admin account :-)

I have just taken care of this  :thumbs-up

--------------
'PC Medic'
Back to top
Profile PM AOL YIM 
tripman1 Offline
Navicacher




Group: Members
Posts: 17
Joined: Jan. 2010
    Posted: May 04 2012,9:17 am QUOTE

Glad to see this site is staying with geocachers.  Just listened to the podcast, great ideas.  One comment I had about the "caches not found since 2005."  Even though caches are older, I have had great success finding the older caches.  They have many signatures on the logbooks, and are in surprisingly good shape.  For whatever reason cachers don't seem to log finds on the Navicache website.

--------------
 photo NavicacheBanner1_zpsb0b14a6a.jpg
Back to top
Profile PM 
nick_h_nz Offline
Navicacher




Group: Members
Posts: 36
Joined: Dec. 2008
    Posted: June 05 2012,9:04 am QUOTE

Thanks to Dave, I'm making a return trip to this site. I await progress with interest. I generally publish caches these days only on TC, but I have a couple of caches up my sleeve which I think might be more appropriate for another site. I had been thinking of OC:UK (ie not Garmin OC), but Navicache would work just as well. It would be nice if both NC and OC:UK could have as strong a presence in my area of the UK as TC - which is presently the only active alternative listing site in Eastern England.
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
TheMadCacher Offline
Navicacher




Group: Super Administrators
Posts: 4
Joined: April 2012
    Posted: June 08 2012,9:48 am QUOTE

Wanted to provide everyone with an update. While things aren't progressing as quickly as we had originally hoped (they never do) we are making headway. Kurt has been hard at work with our coder and laid out our plan going forward, which includes a rather large move to another coding platform. Kurt and I are also still discussing site design and layout. More to come! Thank you all for the continued support!

-Ej
Back to top
Profile PM 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: June 08 2012,9:59 am QUOTE

Thanks!  Keep up posted and we'll help spread the word.

--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
nick_h_nz Offline
Navicacher




Group: Members
Posts: 36
Joined: Dec. 2008
    Posted: June 08 2012,11:03 am QUOTE

This is where if there was a "Like" button, there wouldn't be a whole bunch of "thank you" type posts. Oh wait, there're not currently enough active readers of the forum to worry about that just yet! :p :D

Thanks EJ (and Kurt). Not that the good wishes of Dave and myself are that much help, and you certainly have your work cut out for you - even more so than Cash over on TC...
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
PC Medic Offline
Cache Master




Group: Super Administrators
Posts: 1452
Joined: Dec. 2001
    Posted: June 08 2012,9:58 pm QUOTE

Lots of readers...Just not many posters!   :rolleyes

--------------
'PC Medic'
Back to top
Profile PM AOL YIM 
nick_h_nz Offline
Navicacher




Group: Members
Posts: 36
Joined: Dec. 2008
    Posted: June 09 2012,12:37 am QUOTE

Hopefully that will change though. I suspect there are many readers, as many are interested to see what will happen, now that NC has changed ownership. As changes to the site become apparent, perhaps there will be more posters?
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: June 10 2012,3:50 pm QUOTE

Perhaps more direct comms from the new management, soliciting input might encourage additional members to comment.

--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
nick_h_nz Offline
Navicacher




Group: Members
Posts: 36
Joined: Dec. 2008
    Posted: June 11 2012,12:08 am QUOTE

Rather optimistic there, I think, Dave. While more communication from the new management might be nice to see, I doubt it would increase activity on the forum.
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: June 11 2012,6:09 am QUOTE

Agree that what will really (hopefully) increase activity will be when changes start rolling out to the site.  I just can't imaging that they couldn't double or triple participation with a little effort.  If there are really that many people are motivated to be reading the forums, I'd expect a few would probably chime in.

Just a thought - I wonder if more native German speakers, than English speakers frequent the forums.  Seems like the site is at least as active over there, than it is in the US.  That could be one reason some people read it (via Google Translate or such), but don't post.


--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
ChileHead Offline
Navicacher




Group: Members
Posts: 29
Joined: Aug. 2004
    Posted: June 23 2012,8:32 am QUOTE

Years ago this site had a number of navicache unique listings.   People in Rochester NY would look at both this site and geocaching.com to find new cache listings.   It seemed to have a bit of a following, probably because of the local presence of Quinn and a few summer events that were listed here.

As time went on, people started listing caches both here and geocaching.com, the only two viable sites for many years.    Once caches were listed at both places, interest for this site went down as people didn't want to bother weeding out duplicate listings, so they primarily only looked at geocaching.com.   I think we are down to 3 people in Rochester who check this site more than once a year.  

Fast forward to the beginning of 2011 (or was it 2010) when Garmin decides we need yet another listing site, and wouldn't it be a good idea to make it easy to cross list caches?   As a result, the garmincaching site has quite a good start at cache listings, that nobody uses.

The rebirth (?) of navicache should learn from Garmin's mistake, which they still don't recognize.   Encouraging cross listings is a bad idea.   You can't prevent it, but you can discourage it.
Back to top
Profile PM 
nick_h_nz Offline
Navicacher




Group: Members
Posts: 36
Joined: Dec. 2008
    Posted: June 23 2012,12:21 pm QUOTE

Quote (ChileHead @ June 23 2012,10:32 am)
Encouraging cross listings is a bad idea.   You can't prevent it, but you can discourage it.

I have said the same elsewhere in this forum, and it is the one thing which will make a difference to whether this is really a rebirth for NC, or just flogging a dead horse....

I sincerely hope that cross-listed caches will be strongly discouraged, for unless there are caches original and unique to NC, there is little reason to use the site. I am fully ready to place such caches on NC, but have no intention to do so until such time that I see that it will be worthwhile to do so.

(And it will only ever be worthwhile to do so, if NC is a truly alternative cache listing site, and not a site which merely cross-lists from other sites...)
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
whiteurkel Offline
Caching Maniac




Group: Members
Posts: 81
Joined: Jan. 2004
    Posted: June 30 2012,9:26 am QUOTE

Quote (ChileHead @ June 23 2012,10:32 am)
Years ago this site had a number of navicache unique listings.   People in Rochester NY would look at both this site and geocaching.com to find new cache listings.   It seemed to have a bit of a following, probably because of the local presence of Quinn and a few summer events that were listed here.

As time went on, people started listing caches both here and geocaching.com, the only two viable sites for many years.    Once caches were listed at both places, interest for this site went down as people didn't want to bother weeding out duplicate listings, so they primarily only looked at geocaching.com.   I think we are down to 3 people in Rochester who check this site more than once a year.  

Fast forward to the beginning of 2011 (or was it 2010) when Garmin decides we need yet another listing site, and wouldn't it be a good idea to make it easy to cross list caches?   As a result, the garmincaching site has quite a good start at cache listings, that nobody uses.

The rebirth (?) of navicache should learn from Garmin's mistake, which they still don't recognize.   Encouraging cross listings is a bad idea.   You can't prevent it, but you can discourage it.

Nice post, Chilehead. Yes, I'm Mr.Yuck most places, but never changed here. I agree with everything you said, including the "local following" Quinn had in Rochester. It was quite substantial in the old days. Last I looked, there were still at least a dozen Navicache only Rochester area hides that haven't had a log entry in year.s. I actually remember being the first finder of one of Quinn's caches in Durand-Eastman in about two years. And that was in like 2006!!

Yes, Garmin's cross-listing is a horrible mistake. I'll tell you who to take a que from. Opencaching.us, one of the admins of which has posted to this thread, accepts, but discourages cross-listing. When you go to hide a cache there, a page comes up stating they accept cross-listings, but prefer unique caches, and you have to hit a "next" button on that screen. Perhaps said admin could tell us, but I'm going to guess 90% of their listings are unique. I know all 20 of my hides over there to this date are.


--------------
Back to top
Profile PM 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: June 30 2012,8:35 pm QUOTE

1.  I don't think I realized that you were Mr. Yuck.  If I did, I forgot.

2.  Currently, about 1/3 of OpenCachingUS cached don't have the OCUS ONLY attribute, but I'm  I'm sure there are sof of those where the CO simply hasn't selected the attribute.

3. Wow!  Multiple new posts by multiple people withing 24 hours.


--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
MOCache Offline
Navicacher




Group: Members
Posts: 36
Joined: Sep. 2003
    Posted: Nov. 27 2012,10:46 am QUOTE

This is Quinn's brother Dave.. I only learned recently the site had changed hands. The word "NaviCache" was my idea and I designed the original compass logo. This site sorely needs an update in appearance and function.

I realize the code for the cache database is a kludged mess but it might be better to dump the data and rebuild a new (and improved) database entirely and then import the old data into it.

If this were my site, I'd replace the front end with a WordPress blog. WordPress is convenient, well supported, and can be made to look like a static site if that is your aim. I'd then use SMF (Simple Machines Forum) as the backend as it can be made to integrate with the WordPress frontend. Both WordPress and Simple Machines are free and have loads of plugins and addons that would be useful.

You might even be able to use a WordPress directory plugin for the Cache database or easily have one written and modified cheaply.

You can always reach me via the contact form at www.davidgridley.me or add me on Facebook (www.davew3b.com, Twitter: davidgridleyme)

This site used to have some life to it.. I'd like to see that happen again.

Good luck!


--------------
-MOCache
Back to top
Profile PM 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: Nov. 29 2012,6:21 am QUOTE

Thanks for chiming in and offering some advice to the Leeward Coast folks.  I hope they come around sometime to see it.  I had been hopeful that they'd offer a new breath of life to the site.

--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: Dec. 04 2012,8:11 pm QUOTE

News from Kurt (of the new ownership team) via Geocachers Unlimited's Facebook page.

I'd posted...
Quote
So, Groundspeak is pulling the plug on Challenges. From their newsletter, "In approxim ately 7 days, we will be removing all traces of the Challenges functionality and related content from Geocaching.com." What do you think?

Another user posted that they
Quote
think they need something that you can use to point out cool places where you can't put physical caches.

Kurt replied...
Quote
Ej and I are thinking of doing something like that with navicache

I wonder what they're thinking about and if we'll hear anything about it here.


--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: Dec. 05 2012,10:57 am QUOTE

Another update to Kurt Milligan from Geocachers Unlimited on Facebook...
Quote
We are documenting all current site functionality now and making notes of new features and upgrades to what is already there. We have been throwing around some ideas for a new feature release once the redesign is done. We have finally made some progress and are meeting with some developers to find out what we can do in the short term. Since everything is self funded and Navicache.com really needs a lot of work, we are trying to plan it out so we can get the most bang for our buck. We'll certainly keep everyone posted.

Ej Martin and I are pretty excited about our geocaching book that should be ready in about a month

That's the plan. We sent our frist Madcacher newsletter last night and will be using that list to send Navicache updates as well. It's been a long time coming but we're getting our act together now.

I looked and you can sign up for their Madcacher newsletter at their blog - http://www.madcacher.com/.


Edited by DudleyGrunt on Dec. 05 2012,10:58 am

--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
whiteurkel Offline
Caching Maniac




Group: Members
Posts: 81
Joined: Jan. 2004
    Posted: Dec. 06 2012,11:03 am QUOTE

Good to know, I will subscribe to the newsletter. No offense to the team when they finally show up here, but I would have thought the website's forums would be the first place I'd go to find out information. Myself and DG obviously didnt know. :)

--------------
Back to top
Profile PM 
Web_ling Offline
Navicacher




Group: Members
Posts: 4
Joined: May 2002
    Posted: Dec. 15 2012,8:58 pm QUOTE

Yes!  I'm looking forward to the rebirth of Navicaching!

--------------
O-Cacher (Georienteer?)
Back to top
Profile PM 
Gizzle007 Offline
Navicacher




Group: Super Administrators
Posts: 9
Joined: April 2012
    Posted: Jan. 17 2013,1:14 pm QUOTE

Sorry guys, we didn't mean to be seen to be avoiding anyone, but here are some general updates that pertain to Navicache and our work here.

1) First we have moved our location. As some of you may know, Kurt has been located in Virginia and myself in Western NY. While we live in a "digital world", that distance lead to quite a bit of time lag in initiatives. To that end we've both taken steps and.... we both relocated to Portland, Maine. The delay you're seeing has been us moving, finding new employment (as much as we'd like to say otherwise, our geocaching sites are an act of love and we have to pay the bills somehow else). So now both Leeward and Navicache are going to be located here in Maine, less than 20 miles to Delorme headquarters and we'll be able to get together for actual meetings.

2) As many of you know, Navicache is written in a computer language called PERL, which is outside the wheelhouse of both Kurt and I. To that end, we've been trying to find someone the help us. We hired two separate developers and both fizzled out on false starts to our "relaunch" efforts. So what did we do? We brought in another person to Leeward, as a partner, and we found ourselves a PERL guru. He's also located here in Portland and his website is at http://codewriter.info/ so you can see the level of coder we've brought in house.

3) Fund raising; Moving, the holidays, a long bought of unemployment all pulled from the funds we had set aside to revamp the site. I know no one wants to hear it, but this stuff is expensive! So to that end we: wrote a book (which will be released in the very near future) the proceeds of which are going 100% towards the rework of graphics, database clean up, SEO and other website corrections. Here is a link for the book info: http://www.madcacher.com/new/101-devil-caches-madcacher-book/ We're also thinking about launching a kickstarter program to try and get some funding, the money will go 100% towards the rework and making it happen sooner vs. later.

4) Kurts new job (day job) is specific to SEO work. That means he'll be learning additional tricks and the in/out of the search engines to drive more cachers to our sites. To show his commitment to both Leeward and Navicache: Kurt took a huge reduction in pay to make the move, and the #1 driver was getting this effort off the ground.

I wish I had a specific timeline for you, and I know everyone wishes this would move faster than it is. But believe me, things are moving and shaking. We'll be better about updating the group.

-Ej & Kurt
Back to top
Profile PM 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: Jan. 17 2013,4:35 pm QUOTE

Thanks for the update!

--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
Gizzle007 Offline
Navicacher




Group: Super Administrators
Posts: 9
Joined: April 2012
    Posted: Jan. 19 2013,7:06 am QUOTE

I'll be heading on down to Virginia today to pack my things and head back to Maine. Luckily I am flying down and driving back with my brother so it won't be so hard on the vehicle.

Although EJ gave a great synopsis of where we are, I wanted to chime in and illustrate my dedication to this business and the future of our websites. A HUGE driving factor for my return to Maine is our business. Now that we have a developer on our team (man's a guru), a book coming out, and other plans in the works, it made sense for me to be co-located. 2013 is going to be an exciting time.

We are hopeful money generating products like our book and kickstarter campaign will further our ability to get the sites running smoother. As EJ mentioned, all monies generated go directly into business development. Now that we can have recurring face to face meetings, as well as keep everyone accountable for their tasks, we will be seeking the insight and opinions of the geocaching community that much more.

Our goal is the same, create one of the best geocaching resources on the Internet. With everyone's help and good deal of patience we are confident we can get there. for NOW though, I gotta rustle around and get ready for a flight :-)

Kurt
Back to top
Profile PM 
DudleyGrunt Offline
Cache Master




Group: Members
Posts: 544
Joined: April 2008
    Posted: Jan. 19 2013,8:19 pm QUOTE

Thanks for the update!  Looking forward to the future.

--------------
Dave - Happy Trails!
"We never seek things for themselves—what we seek is the very seeking of things."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

GeoCachers4Christ
Military Assoc of GeoCachers
Facebook - Geocachers Unlimited
Back to top
Profile PM 
38 replies since April 24 2012,8:05 pm < Next Oldest | Next Newest >

[ Track this topic :: Email this topic :: Print this topic ]

Pages: (2) < [1] 2 >
reply to topic new topic new poll

Quick Reply: Under New Management
iB Code Buttons
You are Posting as:
Guest
Do you wish to enable your signature for this post?
Do you wish to enable emoticons for this post?
Track this topic
View All Emoticons
View iB Code