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Posted: Nov. 11 2003,1:43 pm QUOTE

Geocaching Forums pronounced DEAD this morning!!

Taken directly from Geocaching.com website.

"Recent Forum Issues
As most of you have undoubtedly noticed, the performance of the forums has degraded significantly in the last several weeks.

On October 22, our vendor Infopop told us that the current issues are due to the increase in usage and that we've physically outgrown the dedicated server we purchased less than a year ago. We tried to come to a creative arrangement with them, as the cost of the new hosting solution is far more than we expected or can afford. As a result, we're looking for an alternative forum solution we can host in-house. The biggest issue will be trying to move tens of thousands of posts to the new forums (not to mention finding a solution that can keep up with our members!), but the near term we plan to at least have a skeleton board for members to discuss geocaching.

Believe us, we're just as frustrated with the situation as you are, but unfortunately we were caught off guard by our vendor, who did not warn us of the server issues. As a result we are scrambling to figure out how to solve this problem. Please be patient. We'll provide updates on this page as we move forward with a solution to this issue.


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11/11 11:00am PST: We have officially given up on the Ubb.x forums. InfoPop has cancelled our account with them and we have 30 days to move our information off our hosted server. As a result we have removed the link here so the traffic will subside enough to retrieve our 3 years of forum posts from the database. At the same time we're continuing to test the Invision Power Board software.

The biggest challenge to forum applications is the merging of login data between the discussion board and the geocaching.com web site. We want to ensure that the usernames are consistent between the two systems. OneCommunity was an excellent feature from InfoPop and the forums themselves will be difficult to duplicate.

11/11 10:30am PST: We're currently looking at two forum software applications, one of which is Invision Power Board. It looks like a good solution so far. We're currently testing it in-house and may put something in production so we can at least have a skeleton board until we can get something more permanent. If anyone knows of any show stoppers with Invision Power Board, please let us know."


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    Posted: Nov. 11 2003,2:36 pm QUOTE

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11/11 11:00am PST: We have officially given up on the Ubb.x forums. InfoPop has cancelled our account with them and we have 30 days to move our information off our hosted server.

That sounds interesting. It's not like a vendor to cancel the account of a young and growing customer who is ready to step up to a more expensive level of service. It would be interesting to hear the rest of the story.

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    Posted: Nov. 11 2003,2:39 pm QUOTE

Quote (sledgehampster @ Nov. 11 2003,2:43 pm)
The biggest issue will be trying to move tens of thousands of posts to the new forums

I understand that they are especially keen to make sure that the dozens of on-topic posts are not lost.

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    Posted: Nov. 11 2003,4:07 pm QUOTE

Quote (Scout @ Nov. 11 2003,4:36 pm)
Quote (sledgehampster @ Nov. 11 2003,2:43 pm)
11/11 11:00am PST: We have officially given up on the Ubb.x forums. InfoPop has cancelled our account with them and we have 30 days to move our information off our hosted server.

That sounds interesting. It's not like a vendor to cancel the account of a young and growing customer who is ready to step up to a more expensive level of service. It would be interesting to hear the rest of the story.

Very interesting indeed!  Not only is it not like a vendor to cancel such an account, but without notice? ???
IF this is in fact what happened, I would certainly think it is not going to buy InfoPop a whole lot of good press.

The sad part is that it is a bit of a blow to the part of the geocaching community that was really interested in discussing the sport. Among much of the squabbling and mudslinging, there were actually some good informative threads there.

Guess we will have to watch how this plays out. In the mean time they are welcome here and this is why I am glad we chose Ikonboard as our forum software!  :thumbs-up


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    Posted: Nov. 11 2003,7:14 pm QUOTE

Quote (PC Medic @ Nov. 11 2003,6:07 pm)
[quote=Scout,Nov. 11 2003,4:36 pm]
.....Not only is it not like a vendor to cancel such an account, but without notice?......

Maybe the traffic to GC.COM forums was killing all of InfoPop's other clients as well. GC probably exceeded their service level, too.

Hopefully, they'l lose all the non-informational threads when transferring the posts.
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11/11 3:30pm PST: We received our license to Invision Power Board and have started to install the application on a new dedicated machine.
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Edited by DustyJacket on Nov. 11 2003,7:55 pm

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    Posted: Nov. 12 2003,5:07 am QUOTE

Quote (DustyJacket @ Nov. 11 2003,9:14 pm)
Quote (PC Medic @ Nov. 11 2003,6:07 pm)
[quote=Scout,Nov. 11 2003,4:36 pm]
.....Not only is it not like a vendor to cancel such an account, but without notice?......

Maybe the traffic to GC.COM forums was killing all of InfoPop's other clients as well. GC probably exceeded their service level, too.

Considering the backbone that InfoPop is on, highly unlikely!!

Besides, Geocaching.com themselves state that it was a "cost" related issue. Guess it's time for them to drum up some more 'Premium' members.


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    Posted: Nov. 12 2003,9:36 pm QUOTE

Is that what the "Premium" money pays for?

To support all the bickering in the forums?

And to think I had considerd signing up. I'll stick to spending way too much on raffle tickets at local events and then forgetting to look at them to see if I won. Eventually I'll even buy a t shirt or two to stuff in caches....

We really appreciate all the work you guys put into this site. I just wish we could all afford to do more to help.


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    Posted: Nov. 13 2003,10:26 am QUOTE

I thought this post on the GC site was interesting.

"Over the last two days there has been a surge in the number of geocachers finding caches. Coincidence?"

Could forums have been distracting some folks from the actual goeacaching activity?  Hmmmmmm........
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    Posted: Nov. 17 2003,6:53 am QUOTE

Does anyone get an 'update' after 11/11? 6 days without letting anyone know what is going on.
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    Posted: Nov. 17 2003,8:29 am QUOTE

Now here is a courtesy that I bet you will never see returned by GC.com!! But then we (Navicache) are here for the geocaching community, and not for profit.

With that said, There 'have' been uodates and you probably need to clear the cache in your browser. Last update I saw (11/16) indicated that they have InvisionBoard installed and the users are pounding on it. I am assuming select test users as it is not online yet and they even indicate this. Said they hope to have it back on line "next week".

I know some friendlier forums you can post in!    :grinnin


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    Posted: Nov. 19 2003,8:09 pm QUOTE

UPDATE:

I've just been over there, and their forums are back up, interesting to note quite a familiarity to the look & feel of the Navicache forums now. Nice to know that in this at least, Navicache is leading the way and they are following, although no doubt Navicache will be blamed for copying them though.

The post form is almost identical to the Ikonboard one here. I also notice that you can't yet make any forum specific profile changes, just guessing, but perhaps they haven't worked out how to only allow their premium members to change certain stuff, you know, like the colour of the smilies socks or something to really make you feel that you $3 a month is well spent.   :D


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    Posted: Nov. 20 2003,7:16 am QUOTE

Quote (Volvo Man @ Nov. 19 2003,9:09 pm)
The post form is almost identical to the Ikonboard one here. I also notice that you can't yet make any forum specific profile changes, just guessing, but perhaps they haven't worked out how to only allow their premium members to change certain stuff, you know, like the colour of the smilies socks or something to really make you feel that you $3 a month is well spent.

I have no knowledge on this specific conjecture at all. But the general notion is an important one.

It's one thing for a site to spend community contributions on added features and make them available only to donors. Most feel that's an acceptable use of donations. But if the money is being spent on programmer time to figure out how to turn off features for non-paying members, that seems to be a plain waste of donations, at least in my mind.

Again, I have no evidence that gc.com is doing that or not doing that. It's something I've never seen discussed before.


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    Posted: Nov. 22 2003,5:44 pm QUOTE

Quote (Scout @ Nov. 20 2003,2:16 pm)
I have no knowledge on this specific conjecture at all. But the general notion is an important one.

It's one thing for a site to spend community contributions on added features and make them available only to donors. Most feel that's an acceptable use of donations. But if the money is being spent on programmer time to figure out how to turn off features for non-paying members, that seems to be a plain waste of donations, at least in my mind.

Again, I have no evidence that gc.com is doing that or not doing that. It's something I've never seen discussed before.

BTW, I was only kidding, really, I'm not making accusations or anything, but if next week i see a feature to change the colour of your smilie's socks if a premium member over there, then we all know what happened . ;)

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    Posted: Dec. 31 2003,9:26 am QUOTE

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Is that what the "Premium" money pays for?

To support all the bickering in the forums?

You ain't kidding! I rarely post there because of the few jerks who act as geosnobs and act as if they are so righteous.
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Is that what the "Premium" money pays for?

To support all the bickering in the forums?

You ain't kidding! I rarely post there because of the few jerks who act as geosnobs and act as if they are so righteous.
I love Navicache!


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    Posted: Jan. 31 2004,7:20 am QUOTE

I wonder how many pics of dead horses we'll see over there.
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    Posted: Sep. 23 2004,6:07 am QUOTE

Quote (cachekidds @ Dec. 31 2003,11:26 am)
Quote (cenobite07 @ Nov. 12 2003,11:36 pm)
Is that what the "Premium" money pays for?

To support all the bickering in the forums?

You ain't kidding! I rarely post there because of the few jerks who act as geosnobs and act as if they are so righteous.
I love Navicache!

:wave I have now signed up here with Navicache, because I was getting tired of the mods over there!! They are in self destruction mode!! As soon as time permits I will be transferring all my caches over here as well.
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    Posted: Sep. 23 2004,8:48 am QUOTE

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I have now signed up here with Navicache, because I was getting tired of the mods over there!! They are in self destruction mode!! As soon as time permits I will be transferring all my caches over here as well.


There is a tight group over there that stays together like glue.
I have had some issues with some of them in the past (mtn-man, CO admin, mopad, hydee, and even Jeremy himself) but I can honestly see where they are all coming from.  They want to protect the site from any outsiders that could disrupt
or cause any verbal damage.  I used to get a little mad that Jeremy was making a buck or two off of geocaching.   Especially when I know  he started his site in his basement using DSL. But if it wasn't Jeremy and team, then it would be somebody else making a little money.  After all, does everybody count the pockets of others when they are having fun. ??? Navicache is obviously here for the best interest for all geocachers and is doing what is right for the sport. :wave

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    Posted: Sep. 23 2004,4:21 pm QUOTE

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I have now signed up here with Navicache, because I was getting tired of the mods over there!! They are in self destruction mode!! As soon as time permits I will be transferring all my caches over here as well.


There is a tight group over there that stays together like glue.
I have had some issues with some of them in the past (mtn-man, CO admin, mopad, hydee, and even Jeremy himself) but I can honestly see where they are all coming from.  They want to protect the site from any outsiders that could disrupt
or cause any verbal damage.  I used to get a little mad that Jeremy was making a buck or two off of geocaching.   Especially when I know  he started his site in his basement using DSL. But if it wasn't Jeremy and team, then it would be somebody else making a little money.  After all, does everybody count the pockets of others when they are having fun. ??? Navicache is obviously here for the best interest for all geocachers and is doing what is right for the sport. :wave

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In my opinion it isn't about the money. It is about there monopolistic ways and shutting down the outside world. It is these third party sites that have helped make geocaching what it is today and now that geocaching is big enough, they have concentrated on blocking every one out. We should all be working together to better this sport. Monopolies are illegal, look at what happened to Microsoft.
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    Posted: Sep. 23 2004,9:51 pm QUOTE

Quote (Damenace @ Sep. 23 2004,6:21 pm)
In my opinion it isn't about the money. It is about there monopolistic ways and shutting down the outside world. It is these third party sites that have helped make geocaching what it is today and now that geocaching is big enough, they have concentrated on blocking every one out. We should all be working together to better this sport. Monopolies are illegal, look at what happened to Microsoft.

Well, to be pedantic, it's not monopolies that are illegal, it's abuse of a monopoly position.  But of course, that could conceivably apply to this case too... :)

As someone afflicted with that sort of Open-Source non-Proprietary Gift-Culture Hippie-Fiend outlook on geocaching, though, I agree with the whole underlying thread.  While the big commercial sites slowly fossilized under the weight of its need to maintain corporate growth and revenue, the rest of the "open" sites promoted and maintained by groups of people actually interested more in the game/sport itself than in a brand-name will be able to keep up the pace of innovation and will eventually overtake them.

If absolutely nothing else, the "open" style of Navicache.com and others allows interested people who think they've got something positive to contribute to do so, without the disincentive of having to give up "ownership" of their contribution to GroundSpeak or anyone else.  (The geocaching.com terms of use seem to be the usual boilerplate "all your posts/cache info/etc. are belong to us" policy that tends to turn me off from a lot of commercial sites in different categories...)

And in that spirit...there seem to be very few Navicache.com caches in my area (southeastern Idaho at the moment), and at least some that are appear to have been "imported" from the Other Site ("The Vent" placed by "badandy", for example - I can't tell if "badandy" himself put it on Navicache directly or if it got "imported" by somebody.  Seeing that "badandy" has a couple of "premium members only" caches on The Other Site? I have to wonder...)  so I intend to start up a few myself.  I need to go look up the "guidelines for setting up a cache" instructions.

Hmmm. Going to have to open up a "navicache" corner in the "play with it" section of my long-neglected personal website...


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    Posted: Sep. 27 2004,6:17 pm QUOTE

I am glad you mention the comment about bringing over caches. The one thing we do not allow is for someone to bring over another cache owners cache. You can cross list your own cache but we frown on someone grabbing data and bringing it over here if it does not belong to them or if they do not have permission to do so.  :(

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    Posted: Jan. 01 2013,11:28 pm QUOTE

That sounds interesting. It's not like a vendor to cancel the account of a young and growing customer who is ready to step up to a more expensive level of service. It would be interesting to hear the rest of the story.

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