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    Posted: June 22 2004,8:09 am QUOTE

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I really can't say much about the situation with Jeremy's site since I am the one that chooses to go over there.  

I won't argue this point with you   :thumbs-up

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    Posted: June 28 2004,3:40 pm QUOTE

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 So now the moderator has my home address and I have a banned groundspeak membership.

Is this the same meanie that archived TEAM 360's plaque of the first stash?
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    Posted: June 28 2004,11:35 pm QUOTE

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 So now the moderator has my home address and I have a banned groundspeak membership.

Is this the same meanie that archived TEAM 360's plaque of the first stash?

Maybe, CO Admin is the same person that Duane has butted heads with...(im trying to be mostly neutral here) and denied 360's newest cache somewhere and archived the plaque.
Though I don't know if he has the ability to ban someone (and this is IMO the wrong place to discuss that).


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    Posted: July 01 2004,7:12 am QUOTE

nice

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    Posted: July 18 2004,9:58 am QUOTE

I (and most anyone that has ever followed any of your threads) are well aware of issues that you have with TPTB over at GC.com. We have all more times than I can remember offered the friendly suggestion that if you have so much trouble there and dislike the site so much, then do not use it. Instead you conciosly choose to return there time after time knowing it will do no more than stir up trouble.

Now while we can all point out the obvious to you, what you do with that advice is of course up to you. On the other hand, it seems your only posts lately are the "see what GC.com is doing to me now" type. If you have issues there I am sorry, but please remember that our (Navicache.com) forums are here to promote and discuss the sport of geocaching. If someone has comment or issue with another site, hey they can even make mention and get opinions on that. These forums are not however a place where we condone the constant bashing of another site for any reason. If you would like to discuss geocaching or GPS related topics great, but I really do not want to hear any more about the 'Upinyachit vs. GC.com' Saga!    :nono


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Posted: July 20 2004,6:41 am QUOTE

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    Posted: July 20 2004,10:38 am QUOTE

Well first let me say it is obvious where your issues arise ..... distorted rumors. Yes, Jeremy had threatened legal action against NC and others in the early days for using the word 'geocaching' to which he claimed he had legal rights. There was never any court for any of the parties as there was no basis for the claim. And yes at one time you could not even use the word Navicache in the GC forums, that has since changed also. Where you got the idea he was holding the site back I'll never know. If anyone holds it back it is us and no outside source, but we do just fine.

See the difference is that rather than continuously dredge up past differences we and most others have chosen to move on and do what we originally started out to do, enjoy and promote the sport. It appears that perhaps there are a few that for what ever reason thrive on drama and turmoil and just like to keep things going  :rolleyes

The fact that Jeremy's site is more popular may also have a lot to do with the fact that his is a commercial venture with income and an advertising budget, we are volunteer/hobby and financed out of pocket. While we will continue to improve it may be at a different pace and in different areas for those very reasons.

I am beginning to understand their (GC.com's) reasoning on some matters though in that you do not seem to understand when enough is enough. I did not respond to all your PM's on this for a reason...the subject is closed, you have beat this dead horse all anyone cares to see it get beat. Any more and PETA will probably be after you.

I said before that I don't want to see anymore of the Upinyachit vs. GC.com saga and that is exactly what I meant. NO MORE  :nono


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    Posted: July 21 2004,4:57 pm QUOTE

To any who may be interested 'Upinyachit' has sent me a few PM's discussing how he felt about my telling him I did not want him to come here to continuously FLAME another site  all the time. Appears he did not feel I had place telling him this and if that was the way I felt I could just close his accounts (which I have done).

Please understand that everyone is more than welcome to discuss geocaching and anything else remotely related to it here, including your experiences in the field or experiences/opinions about other sites that you think others may be interested in. We do not however feel this should be a place to come just to 'constantly' publicly bash another individual or site and we certainly do not want to be known for that.


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    Posted: Sep. 06 2004,5:44 pm QUOTE

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Workin' on it.

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The other site was filtered in the past because of the group of folks that constantly spammed our forums trying to advertise the other site. Since it has calmed down the ban has been lifted.

If it gets out of hand again, we will reinstall the ban or whatever you call it.


Here is another quote from the other side...............

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Yupp! Duane and crew, are not around!  There is a "Geogod".  I just checked the "other" site, and did a search on them, they are "only unregistered guests" on that site.
Hopefully, anyone who post the "Navicache" name will use it in a positive way, and not bash this site with it. Some rules, are worth having.  Good job Jeremy , keep it a family site, and I'll be around a lot longer  . SF1


Do you guys really think Duane (upinyachit) is no longer around?   :withstupid
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    Posted: Sep. 06 2004,5:57 pm QUOTE

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Do you guys really think Duane (upinyachit) is no longer around?   :withstupid


Does it really matter?

And by the way, as for Jeremy's stated reason  for the CENSORING or the word navicache ....   :rolleyes   :rotflmao
Sorry but anyone that has been involved in geocaching for any length of time knows why it was really censored.


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    Posted: Sep. 06 2004,6:18 pm QUOTE

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Do you guys really think Duane (upinyachit) is no longer around?


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Does it really matter?


kinda...

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And by the way, as for Jeremy's stated reason  for the CENSORING or the word navicache ....

Sorry but anyone that has been involved in geocaching for any length of time knows why it was really censored.


HUH?   :O
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    Posted: Sep. 06 2004,6:48 pm QUOTE

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Do you guys really think Duane (upinyachit) is no longer around?


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Does it really matter?


kinda...


The choice was his and at his request the account was removed. By does it really matter it was part question, part comment.

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And by the way, as for Jeremy's stated reason  for the CENSORING or the word navicache ....

Sorry but anyone that has been involved in geocaching for any length of time knows why it was really censored.


HUH?   :O


It had nothing to do with SPAMMING and more to do with Jeremy seeing the site as competition. Were it otherwise then all of my very on topic posts would not have been flagged and never appeared simply because my signature contained 'www.navicache.com'.

I actually went to take a look-see at the thread you were quoting from over there. Reading some of the comments I can see why Duane originally felt he needed to start this thread way back when. It amuses me sometimes how someone merely mentions the word 'navicache' over at GC.com and all hell breaks loose and all the clowns come out of the woodwork with their assinine comments. Then in the next breath, these same folks talk about what a friendly place it is.


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    Posted: Sep. 10 2004,8:44 am QUOTE

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It amuses me sometimes how someone merely mentions the word 'navicache' over at GC.com and all hell breaks loose and all the clowns come out of the woodwork with their assinine comments. Then in the next breath, these same folks talk about what a friendly place it is.

That is exactly what I've seen as well. One guy really goes out of his way to belittle Navicache to such an extent that I wonder if he personally feels threatened. I don't get the hostility at all.
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    Posted: Sep. 11 2004,1:19 pm QUOTE

anti-navi-tisim isn't just visible at GC.com either... i have been trying my darndest to try to get some of the local geocaching organiztion to list a few caches at navi, but all I get in a response is well, essentially, that GC is the biggest, must be the best, had issues with this that or the other ..usually over small things that the 'other' site has problems with as well... makes me come close to want to start a navicache assocciated geocaching organization  ... Nacaky  NAviCachers of KY :laugh:   At least the members list would be pretty short!  Just me sofar :D
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    Posted: Sep. 11 2004,1:20 pm QUOTE

I don't get the hostility either ... but then again, hostility is often the darker side of loyalty
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    Posted: Sep. 14 2004,4:20 pm QUOTE

Interesting...

Quick background - I'm a nerd.  I've been playing with GPS and map data on my computer for about half a year now and enjoying it greatly, and am just now looking to get into geocaching as a good excuse to "go play outside" (along with my wife, a professional Rocktologist, who is interested for the same reasons).  (Yes, I'm posting in the right thread, just keep reading...)

A google search for "geocaching" pops up the "geocache.com" site first thing.  While I went ahead and signed in for the no-cost (non-"premium") account, I rapidly decided I didn't much care for the site's feel - caches "hidden" from non-"Premium" subscribers, and a draconian "we claim copyright ownership of everything including the data points" sort of terms really turned me off.  While I respect their right to use the business model they've chosen, I don't feel inclined to encourage and support it.

I can't remember how I found THIS site, but Navicache.com seems to have much more the sort of "open" feel of "people having fun sharing a mutual interest" that I was originally hoping to find, without the roadblocks put up by the commercial geocache.com site.

So...hi, all, and thanks for being here.


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    Posted: Sep. 14 2004,10:20 pm QUOTE

I think you understand the attraction of the non-commercial sites that many of us feel. Welcome.

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anti-navi-tisim isn't just visible at GC.com either... i have been trying my darndest to try to get some of the local geocaching organiztion to list a few caches at navi, but all I get in a response is well, essentially, that GC is the biggest, must be the best, had issues with this that or the other ..usually over small things that the 'other' site has problems with as well... makes me come close to want to start a navicache


First of all,  I would like to be honest and let everyone know this is Duane for those of you that haven't figured that out. lol  Anyway, I decided to retire Upinyachit to the Broncoholics on Jeremy's site.  My dad never liked the username anyway.  He told me he didn't like it way back when we lived in Rochester.  ???  The reason I quoted the above information is because I have done everything in my power to promote this site.  Some of the ways I tried to promote the site may have been wrong, but I gave it all I got.  I am not sure how my geocaching pyramid looks like, but I have spread the word to some of the cachers out here.  There weren't  any caches at all with the 81007 zip and now there are a string of Navicaches. All the way from Co. city to Denver and beyond.  I don't want all the credit or  brownie points either.  Just a little appreciation and respect.  So it does really matter who becomes members and what geocaching decisions they make.  To this day, though,  I have no clue why some people won't even give NAVICACHE a chance.  Some people are just blind to the obvious I guess.  So what I have learned to do the last couple of months is to chill and not try to push this site on anyone.  You get more out of sugar then you do with vinegar anyway.
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I think you understand the attraction of the non-commercial sites that many of us feel. Welcome.

In fairness, it's not even the "commercial" aspect about "the other site" that bothers me, it's specifically what they are commercializing.

I see nothing at all wrong with setting up a metaphorical snack bar/gift shop/convenience store by the side of the metaphorical "road" along which geocaching takes place.  I would think no less of Navicache.com if the site owner started selling T-Shirts and Navicache-branded "travel bugs" and Navicache coffee mugs and Navicache-stencilled geocaching containers and Navicache-branded rock picks and walking sticks and water bottles and backpacks and copies of CD-ROMS containing the database of Navicaches and legally-free maps (e.g. from Terraserver) and so forth... all of that sort of thing would at worst
have no effect on the game/sport of geocaching, and in many cases would be an optional but beneficial convenience, thus promoting geocaching and making it MORE accessible.

The problem I have with the "other site" is that instead, their business model isn't a "gift shop" by the side of the road, but a "toll booth" right in the middle of the road.  "You can't play GeoCache fully unless you pay us.  And you won't share copies of our Copyright-Protected Geocache Location Information with other people either.  We own that."  This approach fundamentally inhibits the accessibility of the game/sport.

I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that whether or not a cache is entirely hidden from everyone who isn't a "Premium?" subscriber is apparently a choice for OTHER "Premium?" subscribers and not the site's corporate entity.  The implication that there are that many people who want to exclude others who haven't paid money to join the same corporate "fan club" doesn't leave me with a favorable impression though.


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    Posted: Sep. 22 2004,4:36 pm QUOTE

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The problem I have with the "other site" is that instead, their business model isn't a "gift shop" by the side of the road, but a "toll booth" right in the middle of the road.

Well put.

I have nothing against gc.com or navicache.com raising money by selling goods and services. I just wish gc.com would cooperate with other geocachers who want to give back to the hobby with their own value-added services. At the very least, I wish they wouldn't actively work to sabotage others who are trying to help the geocaching community. The recent blocking of Buxley's Geocaching Waypoint is a case in point. Buxley is prevented from providing geocaching maps to the community. (gc.com has the legal right to do this. That doesn't mean they have to exercise that right.)

The result of such practices is the slower introduction of new features and services, as they all must come from gc.com itself. The people who benefit from this business model are gc.com themselves. Of course, self interest is what's behind most commercial enterprises. I would just prefer having control in the hands of people who put the good of geocaching ahead of themselves making money off geocaching.

By the way, Navicache does cooperate with people who want to create value-added services. Buxley's site is one. My own Navicache Stats site is another. Good for them!


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    Posted: Sep. 22 2004,5:44 pm QUOTE

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I would think no less of Navicache.com if the site owner started selling T-Shirts and Navicache-branded "travel bugs" and Navicache coffee mugs and Navicache-stencilled geocaching containers and Navicache-branded rock picks and walking sticks and water bottles and backpacks and copies of CD-ROMS containing the database of Navicaches and legally-free maps (e.g. from Terraserver) and so forth...

Well that's good to hear, because we already do and you can find some of it  right here !  :grinnin


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The problem I have with the "other site" is that instead, their business model isn't a "gift shop" by the side of the road, but a "toll booth" right in the middle of the road.  "You can't play GeoCache fully unless you pay us.  And you won't share copies of our Copyright-Protected Geocache Location Information with other people either.  We own that."  This approach fundamentally inhibits the accessibility of the game/sport.


And I thinks this is what most refer to. Everyone realizes that the servers and bandwidth need to be paid for some way, and even a profit is OK if that is what you are shooting for, I think it is more as you say, a direct fee for accessing some or all of the database. However it is their site and their choice just as ours is to be more open.

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The implication that there are that many people who want to exclude others who haven't paid money to join the same corporate "fan club" doesn't leave me with a favorable impression though.


Well here in America it seems that's what many strive for....Get rich enough to join the country club so you can feel like your're somebody. I prefer hanging with the regular folks myself.


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There is already a "solution" - Since Navicache already funnels information to his maps, cache owners can post their caches on Navicaching.com and they'll magically appear on his web site. Huzzah.



wow  :D


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very sad day for Casey today.  Steve Erwin has died.   :(

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very sad day for Casey today.  Steve Erwin has died.   :(

Casey's "The Steve Irwin Experience" Cache

We hid this cache in July 2002 then Cenobite07 adopted it when we moved.

And what exactly, does this have to do with the topic of this thread ??

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very sad day for Casey today.  Steve Erwin has died.   :(

Casey's "The Steve Irwin Experience" Cache

We hid this cache in July 2002 then Cenobite07 adopted it when we moved.

And what exactly, does this have to do with the topic of this thread ??

With no replies in two years, Does it really matter???  ???


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very sad day for Casey today.  Steve Erwin has died.   :(

Casey's "The Steve Irwin Experience" Cache

We hid this cache in July 2002 then Cenobite07 adopted it when we moved.

And what exactly, does this have to do with the topic of this thread ??

With no replies in two years, Does it really matter???  ???

Actually yes it does matter, off-topic is off-topic. The fact you chose a nearly two year old thread to tag your post to does not change that.

If you wish to discuss a new topic, please start a new thread with the appropriate subject.


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very sad day for Casey today.  Steve Erwin has died.   :(

Casey's "The Steve Irwin Experience" Cache

We hid this cache in July 2002 then Cenobite07 adopted it when we moved.

And what exactly, does this have to do with the topic of this thread ??

With no replies in two years, Does it really matter???  ???

Actually yes it does matter, off-topic is off-topic. The fact you chose a nearly two year old thread to tag your post to does not change that.

If you wish to discuss a new topic, please start a new thread with the appropriate subject.

If it's any consolation, you can in fact utter the word "Navicache" over there now, I've done it several times in the last few months. I imagine in 2004, it was one of those "banned words" that won't even show up in your post after you hit submit.

At the risk of being sucked into the off topic hole, I have found "Casey's the Steve Irwin Experience cache". Funny, if Cenobite adopted it on Navicache, they've never adopted at the other site, where it now has it's 2nd adoptive owner.  :D


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If it's any consolation, you can in fact utter the word "Navicache" over there now, I've done it several times in the last few months. I imagine in 2004, it was one of those "banned words" that won't even show up in your post after you hit submit.

It was actually back in 2004 that the long standing ban was lifted and exactly one of the reasons I objected to the off topic post in this thread. It is an issue that was resolved long ago and I see no reason to stir things up by reviving the thread with an off topic post. Though I am SURE that was not the intent!

Enough said on the matter.


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