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Posted: Jan. 01 2002,12:59 pm QUOTE

I went out to find Gimpy's Hanibals Stash today as it was reported missing or not able to be found by a couple cachers. Me being pretty close to the area and already having been logged by me I knew where it should be. When I got to the location of the rotted and downed tree it was gone. The best I could figure and most likely the fact, would be that there was a "splatball" war in that area and some kid used the tree as a source of cover. I am sure this was nothing more than a gift for that person. You can most likely bet this kid is using the ammo can to carry his splatballs now. :angry:  A very nice area indeed for a cache but with plenty of signs that kids are using it to hone some skills for placing paint between the enemy's eyes. I took some pictures of the location today to be sent to Gimpy to confirm I was in the right area. I also decided while in the woods to place a mini cache of my own as to not waste such a great spot. Sorry to deliver such bad news Gimpy :(

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Posted: Jan. 01 2002,4:32 pm QUOTE

Such is life,eh. Thanks for checking on it,Quinn. My only regret is the loss of the cachers pics on the camera & their logs in the book.    :(  I went out about 7:00 am this morning & bagged the 2 that Barrington has by Oatka Creek. Very nice areas at both caches. Took a new cache to an area that I scoped out on the maps & walked an old railroad bed for 1 1/2 miles to pick a good spot. I must have come across 50 posted & no trespassing signs in that distance. From some of the remarks on the signs, landowners along the path must have a problem with atv & mountain bike riders. Really too bad. A lot of prime cache locations, but couldn't put it in there. Back to researching possible cache locations. I stopped by Mendon too, but although there's plenty of room for another in that park, I figured the 4 that are there now is enough. Oh well. Back to the old drawing board. ???

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    Posted: Jan. 10 2002,11:57 am QUOTE

Too bad we don't have some way to react to this kind of thing. It may not be quite the same thing as smashing your window to take your stereo, but I view this as theft none-the-less.

Do any of you folks know of a cheap gadget that can help track these down?

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    Posted: Jan. 10 2002,11:10 pm QUOTE

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Too bad we don't have some way to react to this kind of thing. It may not be quite the same thing as smashing your window to take your stereo, but I view this as theft none-the-less.

Do any of you folks know of a cheap gadget that can help track these down?

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    Posted: Jan. 11 2002,5:30 am QUOTE

Though I think that not a single cache should ever be taken, there will come times that someone will happen across a box here and there by accident. We all know the world we live in today and honesty does not grace us all. I would be extremely upset if I was to find out someone was using the cache pages for the pure purpose of going out and taking a box, but if someone was to be out hiking and happened to just find one I would feel a bit more at ease ( though still upset) I figure it would be my bad luck and someone else good fortune to just happen across a box of mine. I would hope though that reading what the box is they would leave it in place and let the game live.

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    Posted: Jan. 11 2002,6:51 am QUOTE

I have a cache in Broome County, [the only one ] and it seems to be missing.  Heading out there next weekend and am struggling with replacing it or not.  If it was someone who happend to stumble into it I don't think they would plunder a 2nd one.  If however if someone with a GPSR and I could be facing a loosing battle.
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    Posted: Jan. 11 2002,11:00 pm QUOTE

Unfortunately thefts do happen, I've scene postings elsewhere discussing how the individuals who stole the cache had logged on the site and bragged about it, saying they would do it again.  
However, I do think that the majority of missing caches were taken by non geocachers, I hit one in heck I don't remember where it was now, Indiana... Wisonsin... somewhere that had been cleaned out by a group of teenagers, they left a message something along the lines of "what is this it sucks" but they had obviously just stumbled upon it, not nearly as big of a problem as the individuals who go out and steal caches.

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    Posted: Jan. 27 2002,8:37 pm QUOTE

Well, my "Blair Witch" cache by Hemlock Lake wasn't stolen, but it was blasted with a shotgun! A find report on the other site by John & Sue (backspace_69) described finding the cache with a hole blasted in the bottom, the top open, and the contents scattered.  They were kind enough to reassemble and relocate the cache to new coordinates nearby, so it's still alive, but a bit beat up.  I named the cache based on the spooky nature of the area it's in; seems even more appropriate now.  I'll freshen the cache up with a new box and some new contents, when I get up enough nerve to go into the area again! ;)

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    Posted: Jan. 27 2002,9:31 pm QUOTE

Headed out & checked on 8 of mine this weekend. All in very good shape. Pulled 4 full cameras & put new ones in. Also pulled most of the filled out pages from the log books. After 1 getting plundered, I want to make sure I've got some records for existing ones. Hopefully I can use the log pages to match up names with the pics. Hard to believe my caches have been logged 360 times. The program Brian made up for the Palm automatically tells you how many times each cache has been logged. Makes it much easier to track when it's time for a new camera.

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    Posted: Jan. 28 2002,9:18 pm QUOTE

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Well, my "Blair Witch" cache by Hemlock Lake wasn't stolen, but it was blasted with a shotgun! A find report on the other site by John & Sue (backspace_69) described finding the cache with a hole blasted in the bottom, the top open, and the contents scattered.  They were kind enough to reassemble and relocate the cache to new coordinates nearby, so it's still alive, but a bit beat up.  I named the cache based on the spooky nature of the area it's in; seems even more appropriate now.  I'll freshen the cache up with a new box and some new contents, when I get up enough nerve to go into the area again! ;)

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I swear it wasn't me :)  gimpys cache is the only one I wanted to shoot at after the three trips I made getting my keys I left there  :grinnin

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    Posted: Mar. 22 2002,11:40 am QUOTE

I know this is an old thread, but what-the-hay....

While having a cache plundered is always nasty, being the last one to find a cache before it was plundered is worse.

That happened to me with a local cache and though I was careful to rehide it and make sure nobody was watching, I can't help but wonder if there was something I overlooked?

Was the neon arrow a bad idea?
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    Posted: Mar. 22 2002,12:28 pm QUOTE

I am always afraid of this too! I am constantly looking over my shoulder to see if maybe someone is watching me or that maybe I left steps in the snow or mud.
In the winter I try to walk in circles after leaving a cache site just in case someone wants to see where my steps were heading, kind of like a cross pattern.
But I sure understand your thoughts and see what ya mean ???

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    Posted: Mar. 22 2002,6:42 pm QUOTE

There is another explanation I encountered while doing the TV13 thing.  Both guest thought that the cache was to be hidden in a different spot than where you found it.  I was quick to explain this wasn't the case and provided a few reasons until they realized it wouldn't work their way.  I thought then as I do now that there just may be some newbees out there who are confused as to how the GPS works or how putting it into the hollow log over there insted of the stone pile here would change things. I mean the log is a much nicer place and 150 feet closer to where everyone is parking.  :nono

Bottom line it's not just honesty that some people lack. :smart

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Posted: Mar. 25 2002,9:58 am QUOTE

Well, folks. Here's the first one I know of in this area. My "Cache Iroquois", in the Iroquois Wildlife Refuge, has been removed by the Refuge Manager. The last time it was logged was by dxchallenged on Feb. 30th. Don't know if it was just found by him or someone else or if maybe he's aware of  & monitoring one of the caching web sites & looking for anything placed in the Refuge area. I'll contact him & discuss the situation & see if I can get the cache back. Here's his e-mail to me :
Hello,

Please be advised that "geocaching" is not permitted on Iroquois National
Wildlife Refuge.  Your "cache" has been removed.

Bob Lamoy
Refuge Manager
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1101 Casey Road
Basom, NY  14013
(716) 948-5445

I'll talk to him today & let you know what the outcome is. I've archived the cache. ???

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    Posted: Mar. 25 2002,10:58 am QUOTE

Gimpy...you posted everything but his addy.  I'd like to email him a reminder of what I carried out.

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Posted: Mar. 25 2002,11:14 am QUOTE

Sorry about that. Here it is.:

Bob_Lamoy@fws.gov

The first thing I did when I received his e-mail was go to the cache page.
I rememberd the explanation by you of the garbage you removed from back there, & that will be part of my discussion with him.
I'm trying to reach him by phone. If that doesn't work, I'll try via e-mail.
But I'd rather have a personal conversation with him. Maybe I can run down & meet him face to face & discuss the situation.
If anything, we have for sure left the area cleaner than we found it.

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Posted: Mar. 25 2002,11:44 am QUOTE

Latest update. I talked to Bob Lamoy on the phone & he stated that regardless of any good that cachers have done there, the cache being placed there violates Federal regulations.He was not at all bitter about the situation, just following the rules. He said that at this time of year, the area back there is closed & the existance of the cache there might tempt cachers to go back there. He also stated that, during hunting season, by permit, hunting is allowed back there, & cachers heading back there could be putting themselves in danger. And he noted a log on the web site, where the cacher stated that he almost got lost back there. He wasn't crazy about that either. But the bottom line, was the Federal regulations. We had a very good conversation, & I'll be heading down there Friday to retrieve the cache & maybe talk a little more. Again, he was very good about it. Just doing his job & playing by the rules. Any possible changes in the rules would have to happen at a higher government level than that which Bob is at. I'll let you know what happened after I get back Friday. At least the cache wasn't destroyed.

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    Posted: Mar. 25 2002,8:04 pm QUOTE

Applause applause.  Just a few short comments: 1) to commend Gimpy and 2) to convey support to such actions. It can’t be pleasant to loose a cache hide that you put a lot of effort into. And regardless of the reason for the request for cache removal, I would hope that all cachers would respond in the same manner as done here.

PS   Bob, if your listening (or reading), thank you for taking the time to see that the cache was returned.
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Posted: Mar. 25 2002,8:24 pm QUOTE

Hey Gimpy,

I just read this post.  Sorry about the cache.  That is a beautiful park that we go to often...right about now is when the baby eagles can be viewed...so we head out there even more.  Just spoke to my husband about his trip out to the cache.  I wasn't with them that day.  He said that they were the only ones there then.  I don't believe that we were the ones that posted about almost getting lost.  I think it was the second finder.  We remember your cache as the "burnt Ham incident"...left the ham in while we cached .....

I'm sorry for the potential loss of this cache.  It is  a beautiful area that many people don't know about.  A hike in is the very best way to enjoy, and realize the value of, what our tax dollars support.

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    Posted: Mar. 26 2002,2:07 am QUOTE

No Deb. It was Selterlooms post that concerned him. You can read it on the Navicache cache page for Cache Iroquois. And like I said earlier, Bob was real good about it. He didn't say how he was made aware of the cache, but that the regulations are created from above & part of his job is to enforce them. Didn't seem angry in any way & was quite professional & almost friendly when I talked to him. I respect the guy & apologized for overstepping my boundaries in placing it there. He said that he would be glad to dicuss the differences in regulations between county & state parks & federal refuge properties. I'm actually looking forward to meeting him Friday & talking to him. Judging from other horror stories I've read on forums, it could have been much worse. I sure do like the area back where the cache was & will probably go back again just for the hike & scenery. :)

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    Posted: Mar. 26 2002,7:05 am QUOTE

We should always be concerned about how much trampling we're doing.  I'll now remember not to post any "extremes".

There were a few quotes from Selterloom's post that may have struck a Parks Officer:

"...mushy ground it was alost impossible to get through. So I went through it (of course)."

"...almost sinking a few times and having to do a crop circle action on the plant life there (It'll be fine in a day)"

"...took the fallen tree and throwing it in the river to walk across"

In all fairness to Selterloom: "I've been there, buddy", but I've become more conservative.  Hell, I voted for Richard Nixon.

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    Posted: Mar. 30 2002,6:16 am QUOTE

This story all started in January when Road Kill sent me an email to let me know that my cache at Hogs Back was missing.  It is a pain any time but felt extra bad as we had included a special hat and asked the cache finders to take a photo with the cache camera modeling the hat. We received some great emails from the finders mentioning they did model the hat, Barrington even sent us a email photo with Penny wearing the hat.  As everyone thought the location was spectacular there was no doubt in my mind that I had to replace the cache, and I did in February.
Things were going fine and started to  emails again announcing finds until I received a found it email and the cacher Loon, logged it was not where it was supposed to be.  Sent a quick note to Loon asking for coordinates where it was as I suspected it could have been the original cache. Mrs. Rocky wanted to see the area at the Busy as a Beaver cache so we went for a very nice visit.  Took lots of pictures again, even wrote a second note in the logbook.  We thought, what the heck we are this far lets go check on Hogs Back. Loon’s log was not in the logbook.  We knew this meant he logged in the original missing cache.  We searched everywhere, no luck.  When we returned home there was a return email from Loon, WITH COORDINATES!!!!   Right out the door again for something very special, cache hunting for you own cache! I will have to admit it was special, and yes you will have to worry I will show up at the picnic with life size posters of you wearing that goofy hat.
The cache had been logged by two non cachers, a group, who must be related to Bowter, who were hiking in the gorge and used the Hogs Back to get out, and a hunter from Pa. One of them, not understanding our game had moved the cache.
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    Posted: Mar. 30 2002,6:24 am QUOTE

Well, definately adds a twist to the game when you have to go back out and search for your own cache. But I guess the good news is that you found it!  :^:

Don't you have one of these in the box?

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Posted: Mar. 30 2002,6:32 am QUOTE

Hey, Rock. Glad to see you got it back. That spot is, for sure, one of our all time favorites. We'll be visiting there again. :D
Got my "Cache Iroquois" cache back yesterday, & it is jam packed with goodies & in excellent condition.  I'll be transplanting it, as is, very soon. I've also got a dozen ammo cans en route from cheaperthandirt, so let the new season begin. My conversation with the land manager at Iroquois went well, except for the fact that as long as he's "the man", there won't be any caches allowed on the property. I asked if it could be allowed by permit, & he said yes, but he won't issue one. He wants nothing left there, & thats it! I'll be back there anyway, just to do some hiking & photography. Refuge is 11,000 acres of some of the greatest property around the area. I picked up a bunch of literature for the refuge while I was there, & it is a truly amazing area with a lot of history. Who knows, maybe in time, attitudes will change, & we'll have a shot at accessing this area for our activity. :D

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    Posted: Mar. 30 2002,6:52 am QUOTE

So let me get this straight...is there now "Two" caches out there? or did you leave the orginal one?
also because you found it did you log it as a find and sign your own log book? ;)

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    Posted: Mar. 30 2002,7:07 am QUOTE

No Quinn just one cache, the 2nd one, as that has all the logs, I printed the logs from the first finders and taped them the 2nd book in like you saw at my Andrea's Charm cache near Binghamton.
By the way in the original Hogs Back Vistas logbook, Caron signed it "Caron"  "Debbie"   "Glenn"   "Perfect one", is this Perfect one anyone you know?
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    Posted: Mar. 30 2002,7:17 am QUOTE

I think they were referring to the cache itself. I didn't go that day because I had to work :(  But I will get there!
But they may have been talking about me as we all know... "I am the perfect one"  :oo:  

I can't leave this forum with your user name open too long...my cat keeps trying to cacth your avatar as he walks across the screen. :withstupid

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    Posted: Mar. 30 2002,1:25 pm QUOTE

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My conversation with the land manager at Iroquois went well, except for the fact that as long as he's "the man", there won't be any caches allowed on the property. I asked if it could be allowed by permit, & he said yes, but he won't issue one. He wants nothing left there, & thats it! I'll be back there anyway, just to do some hiking & photography. Refuge is 11,000 acres of some of the greatest property around the area. I picked up a bunch of literature for the refuge while I was there, & it is a truly amazing area with a lot of history. Who knows, maybe in time, attitudes will change, & we'll have a shot at accessing this area for our activity. :D

In the mean time, might make for a great spot to place (if that is the correct term) a virtual cache or two.

After all, one of the best things about geocaching IMHO, is that it leads you to new places you may have never known about.

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Posted: Mar. 30 2002,4:20 pm QUOTE

An excellent thought, PC. Never crossed my mind. The adventure & the scenery is what it's all about. I'll be doing that in the very near future. Thanks  :D

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Posted: Mar. 31 2002,11:27 am QUOTE

My "Cache Iroquois" has been transplanted. No land managers to worry about here. Even if you've logged it at its old location, give it a go. "Iroquois Transplanted". (After the approval process). :grinnin

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