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    Posted: July 11 2001,8:22 pm QUOTE

I was watching the "Parks vs Caching" topic and discovered conversation leading to another interesting area for discussion.  That is the cachers preference to caches in ammo cans or those in plastic.

Deforest: I too have thought about the "cache box mistaken for bomb' scenario.

Quinnow:I myself for one will continue to use the cans as I do not feel there is a danger.

dgridley: I prefer clearly labeled plastic containers for caches. The Sterilite hobby totes may not be ideal for all climes but they are clear and do allow someone to reasonably inspect the contents before opening the cache.

(I hope I haven't extracted too little of the statements to get their points across or misrepresent their opinions)

My experiences in Chicago area; for 20 found caches, 3 were ammo boxes and the rest were plastic containers.  Of the 17 plastic containers, 3 were seriously soaked with unusable logbooks, about 3 or 4 others were damp but plastic baggies protected the goodies.  I also noted that the mice loved those in Kool-Aid containers as they ate though the bottoms.  The plastic was fine when tucked away high & dry.

Now it's time for your comments - I prefer the looks of a nice can myself.

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    Posted: July 11 2001,8:36 pm QUOTE

"I prefer clearly labeled plastic containers for caches. The Sterilite hobby totes may not be ideal for all climes but they are clear and do allow someone to reasonably inspect the contents before opening the cache. "

Hm, well, no doubt the ammo cans win hands down at this point but even they are subject to rust.

The hobby totes properly placed and with the lid properly closed may still be a viable contender tho we won't know until some long-term comparisons can be made.. time to put some of the manufacturers on notice!

A small bead of silicone along the lid closure might help with the moisture problems as well.

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    Posted: July 11 2001,9:37 pm QUOTE

There IS one plastic container I've wondered about. I've seen then in Walmart with HTH pool chlorine in them. They're like a sawed off 5 gallon pail with a nine inch screw on cover. I don't know the water tight aspects of them but they sure look robust.  I believe I saw one on a hill in Naples, NY.   Anyone out there seen one to comment?
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    Posted: July 12 2001,8:26 am QUOTE

Well, according to Yardboy, my Shining Path container doesn't stand up well to a driving rain... time to do some research!
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    Posted: July 12 2001,4:11 pm QUOTE

It might be big for a cache but I have seen/used the 5 gallon white plastic bucket for chemical/dry good storage outdoors with no problems.  The nice ones have the screw on lid with a rubber gasket. They are not cheap, though.
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    Posted: July 12 2001,5:15 pm QUOTE

Here's a link to the bucket lid, if anyone is interested:
http://store.yahoo.com/sportsmansguide/gammaseal.html
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    Posted: July 12 2001,7:20 pm QUOTE

Those are nice! I have even seen them in use on a cache located in naples. Thanks for the link, I'll add it to the link page as well. I might even contact them to see if they will offer our members a discount for sales.
They sure do look neat!
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    Posted: April 27 2002,11:09 pm QUOTE

I think I may have mentioned this before in some other thread, but for those of you intending on placing a cache using a clear plastic container you may want to think it over first.

I went out to check on Dave's "Shining Path" cache a week or so ago and it was filled right to the top with water. The lid was on it yet water still found its way in thus making it a lost cause. i replaced the log book which was ruined and also added items I had in my pack, by the way I removed the container and replaced it with a "Retired ammo can".

I have seen quite a few caches around lately which are plastic containers that have the lids held on via a bungy cord. I hate to say it but I am certain you will see these caches filled with water too as soon as the big rains and snows return. it only takes one cacher to not place the lid as it should be and POOF! cache is ruined.

Do your research first before making your cache and plan ahead for every possible mishap.

I know some people have reserves about using the ammo cans, but they sure are the way to go if you want to keep your stash dry and cozy.

I am waiting for them to make a roomy version of the metal ammo can that costs around the same amount of money yet is made of plastic.

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Posted: April 28 2002,3:37 am QUOTE

My ammo can caches have been logged in excess of 550 times & I've not seen nor heard reports of moisture or rust in any of them. As far as I'm concerned, unless their use somehow becomes outlawed or availability ceases to exist, my caches will be retired ammo cans. I don't much care for the thought of any container made of plastic sitting out through 4 seasons & being opened & closed countless times. I know a lot of folks have been concerned about the bomb squad thing, but I don't think that's a concern at all. If a kid forgets his bookbag in the mall, they call the bomb squad. I don't think kids will stop using bookbags. And I've heard of, I think 2, bomb squad instances. 1 ammo can & 1 tupperware. That's out of how many caches placed throughout the world? Nonsense. The cans are indestructable & have a great seal to keep out the elements. Couldn't ask for more. :D

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    Posted: April 28 2002,11:38 am QUOTE

Quote (Road Kill @ July 11 2001,10:22 pm)
...I prefer the looks of a nice can myself.

Me too  ;0o

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    Posted: May 02 2002,7:34 pm QUOTE

Quote (Gimpy @ April 28 2002,02:37 am)
I think 2, bomb squad instances. 1 ammo can & 1 tupperware. That's out of how many caches placed throughout the world?

This probably adds weight to your argument since it's such a rare thing.... But a cacher in Weed, California (Mt. Shasta) is going to court in the morning. His cache was detonated by the bomb squad. It was placed within 150 ft of a railroad and that's what has him in hot water.

If I wasn't 250 miles away I'd head up there and lend some support. What kind of support I'd offer I'm not sure since there is no way in aich-ee-double-toothpicks I'd place a cache anywhere near public transport these days. Maybe he honestly didn't know the tracks were there or something?

Back to the subject at hand, I've lost cache contents to water damage before and it bites the wax tadpole. I'm still not keen on military boxes 'round these here parts since guns are known to be evil, and therefore a box that's connected in anyway to them must have had some of that evil-voodoo-joo-joo rubbed off.

Anyone know where I can pick up a cache container made from hemp?
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    Posted: May 02 2002,10:42 pm QUOTE

....would be nice... on another note I can't believe (ok I'm lying, but it definately sucks) that a cacher is on his way to court for placing a cache.... public or private land?.... charges (I'm guessing at least the cost of detonation..... but then again last year at college the bomb squad was called and blew up some science project that was left lying out, the individual didn't have to pay so why would a cacher?).

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Posted: May 02 2002,11:13 pm QUOTE

Quote (Choberiba @ May 02 2002,9:34 pm)
Anyone know where I can pick up a cache container made from hemp?

Co-ords, please?!

Reminds me of the cache at the south end of Conesus Lake, NY that had a fine cigar inside, but no matches.

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    Posted: Mar. 16 2004,12:31 pm QUOTE

Quote (Quinn @ April 28 2002,1:09 am)
I think I may have mentioned this before in some other thread, but for those of you intending on placing a cache using a clear plastic container you may want to think it over first.

I went out to check on Dave's "Shining Path" cache a week or so ago and it was filled right to the top with water. The lid was on it yet water still found its way in thus making it a lost cause. i replaced the log book which was ruined and also added items I had in my pack, by the way I removed the container and replaced it with a "Retired ammo can".

I have seen quite a few caches around lately which are plastic containers that have the lids held on via a bungy cord. I hate to say it but I am certain you will see these caches filled with water too as soon as the big rains and snows return. it only takes one cacher to not place the lid as it should be and POOF! cache is ruined.

How about a plasitc ammo can type container? I have one that I have had for while. I wish I knew where I got it but I'm sure it was under $10. It looks like your standard size ammo can but its made of plastic and has a rubber or ring seal in the lid. I've searched everywhere and the closest thing I can find is this http://www.amazon.com/exec....3375301
This might be a little expensive for some but it won't leak and it won't rust.
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    Posted: Mar. 16 2004,5:16 pm QUOTE

Depending on ones location another issue with plastic containers is that during the winter months they tend to crack easily in sub-freezing tempratures.

If you do not have a local military surplus store for the metal ammo boxes then you may want to check out theCheaper Than Dirt website. Mainly their military surplus section.


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    Posted: Mar. 16 2004,5:17 pm QUOTE

That is a great product you have linked there. You are right though in the fact it is a bit on the pricey side but this may be worth it if it does not rust (which it can't).

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    Posted: Mar. 16 2004,9:17 pm QUOTE

Ok heres the box that I have but I don't remember paying this much for it. http://www.afmo.com/product_page.asp?pid=1525
I think I got it on clearance somewhere. I live in Michigan and it gets pretty cold in the winter but I don't think it could get cold enough to affect this box.
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Edited by Quinn on Mar. 17 2004,1:48 am
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    Posted: Mar. 19 2004,4:15 pm QUOTE

I saw these containers at Gander Mountain right after we started Geocaching.  Last time I was there (a few months ago) they did not have any of them.  Since their website does not sell items, I don't know if they still carry them, but might be worth watching.  I would like to know how they stand up to winter around here.  That was the only reason I didn't buy one before.  A little pricey to crack in the cold!
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    Posted: Sep. 11 2004,1:43 pm QUOTE

Tupperware/Rubbermaid Cachetainers art okay for short term caches, seems that the outdoor enviroment shortens thier lifespan.  If you don't mind added maintence go for it.. cant really beat the price in most cases.   For a low maintence cache, say one that is a bit more of the beaten path or may run the risk of being eaten by local fauna, then metal/ammo cans work well.   large cachetainers, well, all depends... i have one cache over at that other site where I used a $5 plastic rural mailbox bungeed to the trunk of a tree.  is weather tight so long as a racoon or possum leave the lid up. then again, I also have a cache at a local interstate exit that I made from old steel toolbox that I renovated and repainted.  Works well after I used some clear duct tape to 'seal' the hinge. All I was out was the wire wheel brush I used to strip the rust.

RE: Jeepcacher's post on plastic ammo cans;  I recently spotted some plastic ammo cans in the sporting goods department of my local wal-mart... a .30 cal equivilant running about $5.  Seemed usable enough, gasket and all but I wouldn't lay odds on how they will hold up to sub-zero temperatures AND rough handelling:rock:
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