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    Posted: Mar. 14 2010,8:49 pm QUOTE

A lot of rain here on Saturday, but it was dry most of today and I got out and had a chance to go out and grab a few of the National Park Service's Star Spangled Banner Geotrail caches and my first Get in the Game cache by National Capital Area Council of the BSA.  No Navicaches, though.

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    Posted: Mar. 17 2010,9:48 pm QUOTE

I finally had some time today to hide my second cache (of course also listed here, but not reviewed yet). Now I am curious who is faster in reviewing: navicache.com or geocache.com (not that it would matter where I live).

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    Posted: Mar. 18 2010,5:43 am QUOTE

We're having some great spring-like weather the last couple days and it is expected to last into the weekend.  Saturday is not only the first day of sping, but also the first day of Cache Across Maryland 2010!  I have a committment at 4, but do plan to heading out to Maryland's Eastern Shore to get my first two (of 10) CAM caches and two more of the NPS Star Spangled Banner caches - among others, of course.

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    Posted: Mar. 18 2010,4:22 pm QUOTE

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Now I am curious who is faster in reviewing: navicache.com or geocache.com

Navicache.com won.  :D Now I wonder: who does the reviews here?
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    Posted: Mar. 18 2010,7:17 pm QUOTE

I believe PC Medic does them all.  It would be cool if an NC member could get FTF before GC approves it, but I know that's probably not likely.

Edited by DudleyGrunt on Mar. 18 2010,7:21 pm

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    Posted: Mar. 18 2010,8:15 pm QUOTE

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I believe PC Medic does them all.  It would be cool if an NC member could get FTF before GC approves it, but I know that's probably not likely.

Are you sure about PC Medic? I had the impression that he is really busy at the moment - yet the cache was approved very quickly.

Yes, I agree that it is not likely that someone logs it here as FTF. But as far as I know there must be at least one navicache member around which was active within the last year. However, he didn't find a navicache yet, nor was his cache logged here. So he is probably not active and I also don't know of any emails being send about new navicaches close to the home coordinates.


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    Posted: Mar. 18 2010,8:49 pm QUOTE

I'm pretty sure.  Of course that could be one reason he's so busy.  I believe he's the one that has approved all my events and my one virtual.

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    Posted: Mar. 19 2010,11:30 am QUOTE

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Now I am curious who is faster in reviewing: navicache.com or geocache.com

I included a link to the cache page on navicache.com in the cache listing on geocaching.com (as I did the other way around). Now I got a reviewer log stating I would have to remove the link or ask groundspeak for permission "I don't think it is appropriate to advertise their site on this site.".

I didn't find any section in the guidelines or anything else about such a ban, so I asked for clarification. I don't have much hope though. I know of quite some caches which include those links but I will now also not go ahead and point my finger to them, let alone that this would not be a reason to publish mine anyway.

Do I simply get a picky reviewer or is there really such a policy 'over there'?
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    Posted: Mar. 19 2010,11:41 am QUOTE

I'm not suprised, at all.  I guess they'd consider it part of their "no solicitation cluase".

GS is the only site of the three I deal with that has an issue with it.  TerraCaching actually has links on each cache page for Nearest Groundspeak, Navicache, and Terracache caches.  I definitely give TC kudos for that, as well as NC for not having a problem acknowledging the existence of the other sites.

I'm thinking of developing a multi / puzzle cache that used the same info found at some first responders / military memorials at a local cemetery, but would actully take you to three different final caches - one for each site.

Thinking the clue on GS would be something like "C TC N NC 2".  I'd have the corresonding clues on NC n TC, but I don't have to be as obtuse with them.

I've had this cache in mind for some time and event have a name, "Gratitude".  I expect that GS will not approve my write up that will include a statement of how we should be grateful for those that put themselves in harms way to keep us safe, especially those that have paid the ultimate price.  We'll see, though.


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    Posted: Mar. 21 2010,2:54 pm QUOTE

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I'm not suprised, at all.  I guess they'd consider it part of their "no solicitation cluase".

I guess you are right. I will not quote the respond without permission and do not intend to ask for it, but it basically says the following:
Navicache as they see it is a competing business. The navicache pages have donation solicitation buttons and navicache sells items here. Navicache does not have an advertisement agreement with geocaching.com, so links to it are a no-go.

Maybe navicache could somehow be officially non-profit, but I guess that is also not going to happen, although I doubt that it brings in more money than it costs.

Is there a non-profit, worldwide, cache-listing website at all, adhering to the idea of open content completely? Something like wikipedia for caches?
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    Posted: Mar. 22 2010,4:14 pm QUOTE

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[quote=KFL,Mar. 17 2010,10:48 pm]
I didn't find any section in the guidelines or anything else about such a ban, so I asked for clarification. I don't have much hope though. I know of quite some caches which include those links but I will now also not go ahead and point my finger to them, let alone that this would not be a reason to publish mine anyway.

Do I simply get a picky reviewer or is there really such a policy 'over there'?

I've heard of reviewers refusing to publish caches with links to NC in the cache write up.  I wanted to gain some exposure for NC in my area when I put out some caches in NC.  I searched GS forums first and found threads about advertising NC on cache pages.  So I figured that was a no no there.  Of course, you could always add the links after it gets published, but someone might tattle on you.  I did include links in log notes on my other GS caches though.
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    Posted: Mar. 22 2010,10:01 pm QUOTE

Adding the link after the cache has been published is not a good idea, especially now that I can no longer claim to not have understood that this is against the GS rules.

However, what GS could absolutely nothing against is navicache being mentioned inside the cache itself. I think about little cards for the finders to take away, mentioning the link how to log it here.
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    Posted: Mar. 23 2010,6:46 am QUOTE

Quote (KFL @ Mar. 23 2010,12:01 am)
Adding the link after the cache has been published is not a good idea, especially now that I can no longer claim to not have understood that this is against the GS rules.

However, what GS could absolutely nothing against is navicache being mentioned inside the cache itself. I think about little cards for the finders to take away, mentioning the link how to log it here.

I agree with KFL.  I try to comply with their policies, even if I don't agree with them.  I might push the envelope sometimes on a cache submission, but I figure the reviewer is free to deny the cache at that point.

Info cards in the cache are a good idea, though.


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    Posted: Mar. 23 2010,12:23 pm QUOTE

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I included a link to the cache page on navicache.com in the cache listing on geocaching.com (as I did the other way around).

After some back and forth I removed the link and the cache got finally also published there today.
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    Posted: Mar. 23 2010,4:40 pm QUOTE

Yeah, the stash note is probably the safest route.  I would bet including a navicache stash note in a cross-listed cache would probably gain the greatest exposure for navicache, perhaps more so than a link in the cache page or cache logs.  I've put out navicache-exclusive caches before, but now I'm thinking I might put a couple out that are cross-listed for this purpose.  I'm hoping to get more people in my area interested in navicache.
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    Posted: Mar. 31 2010,8:54 am QUOTE

Where is everyone?  I was getting used to the company.

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    Posted: Mar. 31 2010,9:48 am QUOTE

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Where is everyone?  I was getting used to the company.

I am still here all the time, but when I don't have to say something I usually just shut my mouth. :)
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    Posted: Mar. 31 2010,1:28 pm QUOTE

I've resisted posting anything for a bit, but figured I'd see if I could draw anyone out.  

FYI, I hit 2000 finds on another site on Sunday and hope to hit 2100 total finds (NC+TC+GC) very soon.


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    Posted: Mar. 31 2010,2:31 pm QUOTE

Quote (KFL @ Mar. 23 2010,2:23 pm)
Quote (KFL @ Mar. 19 2010,12:30 pm)
I included a link to the cache page on navicache.com in the cache listing on geocaching.com (as I did the other way around).

After some back and forth I removed the link and the cache got finally also published there today.

Guess some just were not taught as children that they should play nice with the other kids in the park  :grinnin

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    Posted: Mar. 31 2010,4:02 pm QUOTE

Still here.  Lurking as aways.  I just published a new Navicache:

http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/displaycache2.pl?CacheID=11496

It's a webcam cache.  There hasn't been one in the Twin Cities, at least as long as I've cached (not very long, but still).  I've decided I want to take advantage of the cache types Navicache still offers that the other site doesn't, such as virtuals, webcams, locationless, moving, etc.  I feel this is an opportunity to experience what I've missed out on.  Hopefully other navicachers will find them fun!
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    Posted: Mar. 31 2010,7:33 pm QUOTE

Very cool.  I've added it to my "spy list".

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    Posted: Mar. 31 2010,8:00 pm QUOTE

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Very cool.  I've added it to my "spy list".

So that's who's been spying on me!
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    Posted: Mar. 31 2010,8:09 pm QUOTE

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Quote (DudleyGrunt @ Mar. 31 2010,9:33 pm)
Very cool.  I've added it to my "spy list".

So that's who's been spying on me!

Just as an FYI ...
On your cache page if you click on the little 'camera' icon next to where it show the number of people spying on your cache it will take you to a list of the members that are watching that cache.

Now to be on topic...
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    Posted: April 01 2010,8:11 pm QUOTE

Hey that's cool!  The other site doesn't let you know who's spying, which apparently drives some people nuts.  Thanks for pointing that out.
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    Posted: April 02 2010,5:10 pm QUOTE

KFL - Passing along greetings from Short Circuit 2.  I just exchanged PMs with him on TC, where he's looking for sponsors.  I saw he was from New Orleans and asked if he knew you.

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    Posted: April 03 2010,7:34 am QUOTE

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KFL - Passing along greetings from Short Circuit 2.  I just exchanged PMs with him on TC, where he's looking for sponsors.  I saw he was from New Orleans and asked if he new you.

How cool is that. Of course I know him, I found 43 of his caches to date. He also was at the last Baton Rouge meeting about three weeks back. Are there any Terracache geocaches close to Baton Rouge? If yes and he 'gets in' I know whom to ask for sponsorship.
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    Posted: April 03 2010,8:16 pm QUOTE

There is one in Baton Rouge and several in NO.

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    Posted: April 03 2010,9:44 pm QUOTE

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There is one in Baton Rouge and several in NO.

Hmm, looks like I got to sneak in and look around. Just got my account.
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Hmm, looks like I got to sneak in and look around. Just got my account. (on terracache.com)

I know this is the wrong forum to ask, but I don't know if asking this on the terracache.com forum would be terribly bright:

As far as I know you need two current members to sponsor you. The FAQ even has an entry "Why is it so hard to get sponsored?". It kind of makes sense, to keep "bad" guys out I guess.

However: I just created my account and didn't even ask anyone for sponsorship, but I already got two offers. I accepted one because I know the name from others (didn't meet him, but he is one of the well-known and respected cachers in the neighborhood state). But I don't even know the other - also from another state. So what is happening here? Should I be careful whom to choose to sponsor me? Why? Shouldn't that all start with a little conversation - to get to know whom you sponsor and such?
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    Posted: April 05 2010,5:47 am QUOTE

While there is a thread to ask for sponsors & introduce yourself, other users will see you listed at the top of their page as needing sponsors.  People close to you will see you first, then as time goes by, you will gradually be visible to people further away.

Even though, you already have your sponsors, I'd still post a greeting.


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