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by WhiteUrkel
(Finds: 172  Score: 635)    (Hidden: 40  Score: 156)

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Coordinates (WGS-84 datum)
N 42° 42.105'   W 078° 45.110'
West Falls,   New York   14170
United States    Near By Caches

Hidden On: 28 Dec 2006
Waypoint (Landmark): N023C6
Open Cache:  Unrestricted
Cache type:  Virtual
Cache size:   Unknown

Difficulty: gps (easy)
Terrain: gps gps gps (moderate)

Misc: No drinking water! No restrooms (water closets) available Pets are allowed. Parking is available No fees!


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Eternal Flame Falls is a 30 foot high waterfall in Shale Creek Preserve (part of Chestnut Ridge County Park), in Orchard Park, N.Y. What makes this waterfall especially interesting though, is that there is a small grotto on the right side of the falls as you stand downstream of it (about 5 feet from the bottom of the falls), that emits natural gas, and this gas can be lit to produce an "eternal flame".

To find Eternal Flame Falls, park your geomobile at N42 41.996 W078 45.143, on Seufert Road. Then follow the blue block trail all the way to the falls. You may notice your GPSr only indicates about .12 miles to the falls, but the walk is much further than that. You will walk at least .15 miles past the falls upstream, before descending into a 100 foot deep ravine, and make your way back upstream to the falls. This trail is moderate to steep.

Do not take any shortcuts to the falls! This 100 foot deep ravine has nearly vertical walls! Stay on the blue block trail at all times, including the inevitable walking in the creek bed.

Do not trust the coordinates listed for this cache! You will be in a 100 foot deep ravine with nearly vertical walls, that is 50 feet wide at best. As you can probably figure, GPSr's don't work to well in this environment. Just stay on the well-traveled blue block trail from the parking coords, and you will find the waterfall, like thousands before you.

To log this virtual cache, you must post a photo of Eternal Flame Falls with a GPS, see the sample photo I've uploaded, as a solo cacher by my lonesome. See how my GPS screen is blank? That's because I lost coverage in the ravine! This is a late December photo, with heavy water flow resulting from melted snow run-off, and the flame is barely visible. In drier times, the falls slows to a trickle, and the flame is much more evident. In the unlikely event you find the flame out, it is easily re-lit with a cigarette lighter.

The pictures posted here on Navicache (with a 150 KB limit) do not do this waterfall justice! Trust me, you will not be disapointed if you visit the falls. Feel free to search for "Eternal Flame Falls" on Google to see many more pictures.


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I found it! 27 Jul 2010 by  Szuchie  (Finds: 146  Score: 577)    (Hidden: 5  Score: 26)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Oh Urk...how come more people don't play on NC? Haha, I guess I shouldn't complain, at least it's not the ghost town TC is! :)


PS: Oh yeah, checked on the cache and thankfully no ones made off with the falls of the flame. Whew! You know how those damn muggles can be!

I found it! 12 Apr 2009 by  sabrefan7  (Finds: 13  Score: 57)    (Hidden: 3  Score: 11.5)
    Open Log:  Unrestricted

Found with my nephew on a good Saturday adventure.
I need to remember to look at this site more often.
[Modified 2009-04-12 19:14:35]

[Modified 2009-05-11 18:08:03]


I found it! 26 Sept 2007 by  Rev Mike  (Finds: 32  Score: 128.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Second of four caches that Nessie247 and I grabbed today in Western New York.

We drove about a hundred miles on a day that was off and on rain for this and nearby cache. We ended up at the location and realized after starting the hike into the gorge that we did not happen to have a lighter in the event that the flame was not burning. That was the biggest adventure of day. I just searched for the nearest gas station and my GPS ended up auto-routing me to a dead-end private road that has never had a gas station on it and most likely never will. We finally found a location that sold cigarette lighters and headed back to start the hike again.

Nice hike down into the gorge and not too difficult. The rain made the descent a bit slick but we made it. The walk along the bottom of the gorge to the falls was very nice today. The light rain and promise of a big storm really added to the atmosphere in the gorge. The waterfall was not really too big today although I am sure it got pretty big after we left. The flames were burning after all so that adventure was for nothing.

Stopped to play in the area, climb the falls, take a lot of pictures, and just enjoy the area before deciding to head back and grab the two caches along the trail to this one. E-mail sent.

This was just an all-around amazing cache. Spectacular subject matter, incredible area, and very nice hike to the location earn this one a spot on my favorites list.

Photos posted to the Earthcache on gc.com but I don't think I have copies of them any longer to post here.

TFTC - Great Cache.

- Rev Mike

Note 12 Jun 2007 by  Szuchie  (Finds: 146  Score: 577)    (Hidden: 5  Score: 26)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Yay I found it! Hahahaha. :-D

I found it! 09 Mar 2007 by  Gryffindor1  (Finds: 52  Score: 202.5)    (Hidden: 8  Score: 25)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

This is one of my most favorite places in the world. Didn't even need the GPS for this one - I've been visiting here for a long time before it became so well-known... and I have seen a lot of changes since traffic has become so prolific Still, it is a wonderful place to share and beautiful any time of year!

Today the Eternal Flame wasn't so eternal, but the frozen falls are a treat, too. You can definitely tell the difference when the flame isn't burning - the smell of the methane is way more pronounced... I'd almost be afraid to light a match

It was a perfect day for a hike down here - TFTC!

  cameraThe Frozen Falls
  cameraWhere the flame usually is

I found it! 31 Dec 2006 by  Cayuga Crew  (Finds: 79  Score: 296.5)    (Hidden: 2  Score: 8)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

While planning a trip to Chestnut Ridge to get some air on a fine 45 degree New Year's Eve I inadvertantly flipped over to the Navicache site for the first time in a month or two and was surprised to see some new listings locally. It seems this sight hasn't been quite as popular since the arrival of NYCacher at the other website. We're glad we made the return visit as this listing fit right into our plans of things to do today as one of Woody's pals had never made the trip to the falls and this would give us an oppurtunity to show them off.

The hike down to the falls was actually easier then finding a parking spot today as the area was the place to visit for many today. While hiking toward our goal we spotted cachers unfamiliar to us working on one of the Eternal Falls caches and struck up a conversation with them learning they were visiting from Kileen Texas and had recently returned there from Germany. (Yes TWU they were Army all the way.) After making plans to meet back at the parking coords to exchange geocoins we continued on our way. Despite the traffic problems above we foung the area near the falls empty except for us. The flames were burning strongly behind the falls and after taking the required photos the boys did a little more exploring on their own.

Thanks for bringing us back Urk as some places are certainly worth revisiting. And as as far as this sight all I can say is "we won't quit on you Navicache."
[Modified 2006-12-31 23:05:27]

[Modified 2006-12-31 23:08:37]

  cameraThe money shot (with reception)
  cameraWoody ponders a short cut back to the truck


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