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by WhiteUrkel
(Finds: 172  Score: 635)    (Hidden: 40  Score: 156)

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Coordinates (WGS-84 datum)
N 42° 55.422'   W 078° 51.423'
This may not be the actual cache coordinate.
Buffalo,   New York   14208
United States    Near By Caches

Hidden On: 27 Feb 2005
Waypoint (Landmark): N017DC
Open Cache:  Non-commercial use only
Cache type:  Multi-Part
Cache size:   Micro

Difficulty: gps gps (easy)
Terrain: gps gps (easy)

Misc: No drinking water! No restrooms (water closets) available No pets are allowed. Parking is available No fees!


Maps are queued for generation.
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Please read this cache description carefully. This has been
changed to an offset/puzzle cache due to repeated muggling (or
squirelling) of the first leg. If you go to the coords at the top
of the page, all you are going to find is a smelly creek, exiting a

I first stumbled upon the amazing tale of Buffalo's disappearing
creek while doing research for my Onondaga Escarpment series of

It seems that in the early 20th Century, 3+ miles of Scajaquada
Creek was encased in a tunnel, and buried underground! One
website I saw, said that this was done for "health concerns",
whatever's up with that.

And to add insult to injury, in 1989, The Rodney Dangerfield of
creeks was also tunneled underneath the massive Walden Galleria
Mall in Cheektowaga. That I knew about. Let me tell you, it
ain't easy being Scajaquada Creek.

Scajaquada Creek emerges from it's entombment (pun intended) on
the grounds of Forest Lawn Cemetery, just inside the Main and
Delavan entrance. You need not go near any graves to find the
tunnel, or the first leg of this cache.

Being located in a cemetery, there are obviously restricted
hours for the first leg of this cache.
Beautiful, historic
Forest Lawn, which sits on 269 acres, and has 152,000 "residents",
is open to the public 365 days a year, 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM in the
winter, 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM in the summer, with the time change
corresponding with the date of daylight savings time. Scheduled
tours take place every Sunday morning in the summer, or you can
pretty much take a self guided tour by getting an informational map
from the office. Note also, that the Main and Delavan gate, closest
to the cache, closes One hour earlier than the posted

This is a 2 leg multi-cache, the first leg being offset
(virtual). Park your vehicle at N 42 55.433' W 078 51.480', just
inside the Main/Delavan Entrance to Forest Lawn Cemetery. at these
coords, you will find a sign that tells you what section of the
cemetery you are in, a two digit number.

  • A= The first digit on the sign.

  • B= The second digit on the sign.

Next, proceed to the coords at the top of the page; this is
not far away, and the way to go is obvious. These were once the
coords for a micro cache, but they take you plenty close to the
tunnel for the information you need. Centered over the creek on the
face of the tunnel is the year it was constructed.

  • C= The first digit of the year.

  • D= The second digit of the year.

  • E= The third digit of the year.

  • F= The fouth digit of the year.

Next, calculate the coords for the end cache. They are in the


W 078 VW.XYZ

  • Q= A + 3

  • R= B + 2

  • S= E + 4

  • T= D - 1

  • U= F - 1

  • V= A + 2

  • W= D - 2

  • X= E + 3

  • Y= F + 4

  • Z= C + 4

Once you have calculated the coords, you have two choices; you
can don hip-waders and a headlamp, and walk 3+ miles (upstream) to
the other end of the tunnel where the end cache is located,
or you can hop in your geo mobile, and drive there
(recommended). If your solution is a little over 3 miles away, your
answer is probably correct. And if you get there, and see a creek
entering a tunnel, you know your answer is correct!

Those without a mapping capable GPS, or a portable Palm, Pocket
PC or laptop with mapping software, can use the encrypted hint to
get a general idea of which way to head, and where the end cache

Scajaquada Creek begins it's entombment on public property in a
residential neighborhood. There is even a two car parking lot
nearby. Near this end of the tunnel, I have hidden the end cache, a
green waterproof matchbox container, which contains only a log, and
a sawed-off pencil. You should be able to remove it, and replace
as found with little difficulty; but please report any problems via
Check out the tunnel, and please be discreet in this

By the way, I'm just kidding about walking the length of the
tunnel :-)

Clue decoding tables - Top letter or symbol decodes to bottom letter or symbol:



Clues:    decode

  • Clue 1 
    Gnxr ALbar=avargl=rvtug rnfg 8Fpnwndhnqn Rkcerffjnl9 gb ALguvegl=guerr rnfg 8Xrafvatgba Rkcerffjnl9> Lbh7yy unir gb sbyybj lbhe neebj sebz gurer> Fpnwndhnqn Perrx ortvaf vg7f ragbzozrag fbzrjurer va Purrxgnirtnf>

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CACHE LOGS - May contain hints(spoilers)!    decode

I found it! 23 Jun 2007 by  Szuchie  (Finds: 146  Score: 577)    (Hidden: 5  Score: 26)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Urk, this was an awesome cache - one that I've wanted to do for a long time now (how many times have you heard that today?!? ) I have to admit, this was my first ever visit to Forest Lawn Cemetery. I was blown away by how expansive and beautiful this area was. After this great experience today, I certainly have to go back and get the tour. While I was sight seeing, Johmer was doing the leg work on this one. Once he had calculated the coords, it was off to the final which we found quickly.

This was my last find for the day, but most certainly one of the more interesting caches I've done. Thanks for the history and the background on this amazing disappearing creek!


I found it! 24 Oct 2005 by  mrsmom  (Finds: 128  Score: 491.5)    (Hidden: 3  Score: 10)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

#600...horay! MrMom and I had a lot of fun finding this one. Had to call Urkel as he made a math error and put us in somebody's back yard. Thanks for the cache!

Note 11 Sept 2005 by  WhiteUrkel  (Finds: 172  Score: 635)    (Hidden: 40  Score: 156)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Once again first leg is missing. I think some transients who have taken up residency in the cemetery are messing with the cache. Should be up again towards the end of September, changing the first leg to virtual type questions.

Note 16 Aug 2005 by  WhiteUrkel  (Finds: 172  Score: 635)    (Hidden: 40  Score: 156)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

First leg missing again, cache should be up again by 21 August.

I found it! 10 Jul 2005 by  Mr_Z  (Finds: 85  Score: 308.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Unrestricted

Your "suggestion" of walking to leg 2 is tempting on a hot day like today.
Decided to drive, to "save time".

I found it! 18 Jun 2005 by  HuckleBuckle  (Finds: 77  Score: 273.5)    (Hidden: 67  Score: 223.5)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

This was an interesting find. I am familiar with the history of the creek, my parents are both from the Cheektawacky neighborhood that leg 2 is hidden in.

[Modified 2005-07-15 12:45:34]

Note 14 Jun 2005 by  WhiteUrkel  (Finds: 172  Score: 635)    (Hidden: 40  Score: 156)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Checked on the final over the weekend. No problem at all there. But the Cememetery was closed, so I'm going to have to go back next weekend to check on the first. [EDIT] Yes, first leg was missing. Never a muggle problem, had to be a critter, which was reported in the past. The 1st leg is now a waterproof matchbox container, identical to the final, just hidden in a different fashion.
[Modified 2005-06-20 21:57:30]

I found it! 29 Apr 2005 by  Cayuga Crew  (Finds: 79  Score: 296.5)    (Hidden: 2  Score: 8)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Started this multi while in Forest Lawn working on another multi. Met Mr and Mrs Fishing John at stage one and after a futile search by the manly men Mrs. John showed us how to do it. Completed the cache at the end of the day knowing exactly where to go. This used to be our swimming hole. Just typing that made me cringe but it's true. Boy did this creek take a beating for the sake of development.
[Modified 2005-06-20 06:27:07]

I found it! 16 Mar 2005 by  mickemt  (Finds: 172  Score: 590.5)    (Hidden: 71  Score: 266)
    Open Log:  Unrestricted

Well, I finally completed my collection of active Urkel caches! Tried this one with Skeeterbait2 before, but the snow was far too deep. Found the first leg exposed, rehid it where I zeroed out. Decided against walking up the creek.
Thanks for the interesting cache!

I found it! 06 Mar 2005 by  Exit Mundi  (Finds: 26  Score: 97)    (Hidden: 4  Score: 17)
    Open Log:  Unrestricted

After finding the first cache yesterday,got the first to find on navicache.Thanks for telling me about this site Urkel.The first cache site in Forest Lawn,I did not even have to use the geeps for it but,Cheektavegas,thats another story.I guess Skeeterbait2 didn't get the hint about navicache.I started Urkel up on this from one of the seeds from Grandma's Cookies.Thanks!!!

~Team Exit Mundi~

Note 05 Mar 2005 by  WhiteUrkel  (Finds: 172  Score: 635)    (Hidden: 40  Score: 156)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Since I've clued a few people into the fact that this "members only" cache on geocaching.com is available for free here on Navicache, I should say that there is quite the conversation going on over there; this was found by two people the day after placement, but then we got socked with a foot of snow. At least 4 people have come up empty handed since. The cache is off the ground, but in an area prone to snow build up. I'd hold off until some snow melt, which you would think would be soon with it being almost Spring and all.

[Modified 2005-03-08 08:04:57]

I found it! 28 Feb 2005 by  strikeforce_sunset  (Finds: 45  Score: 177)    (Hidden: 6  Score: 23)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

All I can say on this one, in the words of
**Phoebe Buffay from Friends** is SMELLY CAT.
Oh, bring your nose plugs. Once there, it brought back the **old smell** of the lake.
Yes Folks! This use to be, the city sewer system, before 1980. They actually rerouted it around Delaware Park Lake now named Hoyt Lake.
Also, running the tunnel is quite cool, provided you carry a side arm and high power light. Those critters, are as big as beavers.
Well, Ill take the #2 position on both, finds and logs.
Hey, how did someone from down south, get a jump on me for a FTF. LOL

Strikeforce1 *out-and-about*


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