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cache type Houdini cache size

by Quinn
(Finds: 75  Score: 376)    (Hidden: 34  Score: 132.5)

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Coordinates (WGS-84 datum)
N 36° 54.842'   W 076° 02.670'
This may not be the actual cache coordinate.
Virginia Beach,   Virginia   23459
United States    Near By Caches

Hidden On: 04 Apr 2002
Waypoint (Landmark): N001E2
Open Cache:  Personal use only
Cache type:  Multi-Part
Cache size:   Normal

Difficulty: gps gps gps (moderate)
Terrain: gps gps half gps (moderate)

Misc: Drinking water available. There are restrooms (water closets) available Pets are allowed. Parking is available No fees!

A very beautiful park. Make sure to read all the rules and follow them.

Maps are queued for generation.
Additional maps for this cache available at: topozone.com logo    mapquest.com logo

NOTICE: This is a Multi waypoint cache...The first waypoint is not the actual cache. You will need to read everything here in order to get the coordinates and code needed to get you to Houdini.

I have always liked the mystery behind the worlds most famous Magician and escape artist, so I decided to make a cache based on "Houdini".
You will need to do some math from the first waypoint in order to get to the actual cache so I would say bringing paper, Pen/Pencil, and maybe a calculator along on this hunt may be a good idea. If you follow each of my steps you should have little problem in finding the prize.

The Cache container is a well painted .50cal ammo can filled with some very expensive items along with some for the kids in your group. I ask that if you take an item that you replace it with one of same value or please pass on taking anything at all. I want to keep this cache very interesting to those that find it. I have also placed a "Single use camera" inside the container that I would like each cacher or group to take a picture so that I can add those to the website when camera is full.

I can't express enough how important it is that you read everything here and do exactly as asked! Now, here we go...

The starting coordinate submitted with this cache page will take you to a "Red" sign with 11 "white" letters. You will use convert these letters on the sign to get the coordinates for the actual cache.

Each letter of the Alphabet equals a number value. For instance, lets say letter "A" = 1 then letter "B" would equal 2 and "C" would equal 3 and so on.

Your starting Latitude is N36 54.842, go to the coordinates listed at the top of this page to get to the red sign. Using the letters on the sign do the following...

Take the 8th letters number value and multiply it by 10, Place your answer here ______

Take the number value of the 7th letter and place it's

value here ______

Now take the number value of the 1st letter of the sign and place it's value here ______

ADD all three of your answers together and place it here ________

Take that Answer and SUBTRACT it from the LAST three digits of your starting Latitude and this will be your new Latitude of the actual Cache. ANSWER:_______________________

Now to get the new Longitude take the number value of the 6th letter on the sign and MULTIPLY it by 12

ANSWER: ________

Take the number value of the 10th letter and MULTIPLY it by 2


Take the number value of the 3rd letter and ADD 1 to it


Take all three of your answers above and ADD them together, once you have that total SUBTRACT it from the LAST three digits of your starting Longitude and this will be your new Longitude for the actual cache, write your new Longitude here


So now you should have a new set of coordinates that will take you to the cache but you will need more than that to get "HOUDINI".

Like I stated above, there are "11" letters on this sign, now take the number value for EACH letter on that sign and add them all together... ANSWER:________

Now take the total you came up with and add 4019 to it and write it here ANSWER:__________

IMPORTANT: You will need the four digit code you just came up with in order to find "HOUDINI", so take it with you to your new coordinate and the truth shall be known!

If any of your answers takes you farther than a 1/2 mile from your starting coordinate then you did something wrong and should go over all your answers.

This park is a very beautiful and well maintained area. While placing this cache I picked up several bottles and cans I found along the trails, I ask that if you see any that you please do the same.

The parks people were kind enough to give Geocaching a try so lets not abuse this gift. If you see any trail damage being done as a result of this cache, PLEASE contact me quickly and it will be removed. This park offers a "Trail adoption" program and if any of you are interested this would be a nice way to say thank you to the parks people for allowing us to enjoy the sport.

There is no need to bushwack to this cache and I ask that you please do not do so while taking in this adventure. The cache is placed just off the "Long creek trail" with the orange marker.

Inform people where you are before caching, and make sure you watch out for the wild life in the area. A camera would make a great addition to this trip and be sure to read all of the park rules before you start.

Good luck and HOUDINI is waiting!!

Clue decoding tables - Top letter or symbol decodes to bottom letter or symbol:



Clues:    decode

  • Actual cache location clue 
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    N qbjarq sevraq sebz ybat ntb V erfg jvgu>


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CACHE LOGS - May contain hints(spoilers)!    decode

I found it! 06 Sept 2015 by  DudleyGrunt  (Finds: 41  Score: 115.5)    (Hidden: 19  Score: 46)
    Open Log:  Non-commercial use only

I made a last minute decision to attend this year’s Geocaching Hampton Roads (GCHR) mega even picnic. Part of the draw for me was that there were a number of Navicaches, TerraCaches and one OCNA cache within reach. Sunday morning, my son (JuniorNimrod) and I headed down to Virginia Beach do some of these. We went to the board walk for 3 first, then headed here.

Not being familiar with the area, I just followed the Nuvi and arrived at the park entrance without any cash. The gentleman manning the booth was kind enough to give me a courtesy pass so I could "check out the park" since I'd never been here (and was a little pathetic). Thanks, Ray (or Rey)!

My son couldn't believe I was looking for a cache that hadn't been logged online in nearly 9 years, so he waited for me at the car. I was really hoping I would find this so I could tell him it wasn't a "waste of time".

As I started out, the batteries in my GPS died and the 2 pair I brought with me weren't much better. Somehow, I also grabbed a lone rechargable, but had left the other one in my bag. Not a good start. I brought up Navicache on my phone and saved the page off as a PDF, in case I lost signal. I had about 20% battery life and had left my external in the car. See, I was being sort of pathetic this day.

I had noticed the trailhead on the way to parking, so didn't need GPS help with that and knew the start was about 200' in. I did bring the GPS up when I go close and I didn't see the required sign. Urgh! I actually had a good idea of what 11 letters I was going to use, but then spotted the sign a little ways away. Were these loose 2002 coords or had the sign moved? Either way, I got what I needed and broke out the pen and paper.

After a few minutes and careful work, I had all I would need (aside from some luck) to locate the cache, itself. Looked at the trail maps, got a decent idea of where I was headed and put the phone away. Off I headed toward GZ.

I got close and noticed a side trail about where I would expect. Looking good. Followed it a bit and saw another heading more directly to GZ. OK, OK. Hopefully, this was an indicator that I was in the right place AND things hadn't changed so much since 2006 that I wouldn't be able to get to GZ. That was one fear I had.

Got to withing 50 feet and started looking around. Consulted the clue after a few and zeroed in on some likely spots. No luck after about 20 minutes. Urgh!

Just as the thought of maybe "calling it" started to enter my head, I saw something, recognized it as an ammo can and my heart raced! As I got closer, I could tell it had been sitting alone for a while and even seemed to have "Navicache" painted on the front. I had it!!!!!!!!

Now, to pull out my paper and check one more piece of information. With that in hand I approached even closer and gave it a shot. After working with it, I realized it seemed I could have progressed without it.

Now, to actually get it open. That was probably the biggest challenge and I was starting to wish I'd brought my toolbox with me. Finally managed to get it open, though.

Dumped out some water that had made its way in, but with the rust on the can, I'm sure it'll start seeping in again.

Box was well stocked and the log book was actually dry. I took pics of all the previous logs to read over later. The most recent one was actually from July 3, 2009. A number of logs that were not online mentioned that it was their first ever geocache. I guess the park office used to have info on the cache that visitors could get. Otherwise, it seemed odd that there were so many of these.

I picked up a very strange little "robo-baby" toy that I may turn into a trackable / traveler. Dropped off a NASA Hubble sticker.

Got everything back together and the can settled back into its form fitting recess. Texted my son that I had actually found it and posted a few pics and my excitement to Facebook on the way out.

The White Urkel, below, knows me well. It was last May when he posted, but he knew I'd have to come try this. And it was the highlight of my caching weekend. I'll have to call it in to Podcacher or The Geocaching Podcast. This might be the "lonliest" physical cache I've ever found. I did find a GPSgames cache that was similarly old so will have to compare. It is definitely the one with the oldest last online log - 9 years!

Thanks and Happy Trails, Quinn!

My 40th Navicache
My 5452nd geocache
[Modified 2015-09-07 07:38:33]

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Note 13 May 2014 by  WhiteUrkel  (Finds: 172  Score: 635)    (Hidden: 40  Score: 156)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Holy crud! I was caching in First Landing State Park about a month ago (April 16th I believe), but didn't know about this cache, as The Navicaches are no longer showing properly on Scouts cache maps at GPSgames.org. How cool would it be to be the first person to crack this sucker open (if it's still there) in 8 years?

Oh well, I'll alert DudleyGrunt from Maryland of it's existence, I'm sure he'll get down there some time. I myself may never set foot in Virginia Beach again.

I found it! 24 Sept 2006 by  QOCMike  (Finds: 25  Score: 81)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

I was the first finder of this cache since April 2004, according to the log book. Me and my nephew made the hike out to it. Both latches had rusted shut, so I had to beat the cache with a big stick to open them. A few items inside were fouled with rust, so I trashed those out. The camera had 12 exposures left. TFTC.

I couldn 04 Apr 2005 by  rsq14emt  (Finds: 3  Score: 11)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Non-commercial use only

Had a nice bike, then hike in the park. Found the red sign with 11 letters. I converted all the letters as directed, made my calculations (three times until I got the correct answers) and still could not find it. I found several places where it could have been, but alas, not to be found. I found several "fallen old friends" (trees I assume), but nothing really jumped out. I lost my good orienteering compass while picking up someone else's trash on the way to the vicinity. I will try again on another day. Thank God for daylight savings time. It gave me an extra hour of daylight in the park.

I found it! 02 Jan 2004 by  Beaconbabe  (Finds: 1  Score: 5.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

What a nice & busy park this was. We made a miscalculation & had to start over but that was okay since we got to see more of the trails that way.
Left 2 keychains & took the Skoal knife. Great hide.

I found it! 02 Jan 2004 by  PA Ladi  (Finds: 1  Score: 5.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

After correcting my bad calculations and finding some creative ways to get across water logged areas Beaconbabe and I found this. Had a great time exploring the park on a very nice winter day. Thanks for the adventure.

I found it! 24 Aug 2003 by  Crazy Cache  (Finds: 14  Score: 44.5)    (Hidden: 4  Score: 14.5)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Yeah!!! Crazy Cache solved the Houdini mystery! After an hour of looking for it our GPS said it was smack in the middle of the Creek...We followed the trail thought it might make some sharp turns to get us back on course. Finally came back to our closest spot and redid some calculations! Realized we subtracted from the wrong number! Within 30 minutes my niece (who was on her first geocache adventure!) spotted the cache! This was a fun adventure. We really liked the multi-part of this cache...We took a carabiner, multifunction tool and batteries (our GPS died as soon as we found the cache!). We left a Where's George $, a pocket magnifying glass and a zipper pull compass. Cache was damp inside but log book was dry. Thanks Quinn and Navicache for posting this on the Hampton Roads Group at Yahoo:


Crazy Cache!

I found it! 05 Aug 2003 by  Ken345  (Finds: 1  Score: 5.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Hooray, we found it. We went back to this wonderful park to give it another try. With what we learned about the park the first time it was quite easy to get to the area of the cache. I think the temperature and humidity were higher but other than that it was a very nice day for a walk in the woods. The coordinates we calculated from the clues were not at the spot we found the cache, but using basic map skills they allowed us to find our target. I will send an E-mail to Quinn with the location where we found it and see if there is a problem with our math that we somehow missed. The cache was not too difficult to find once you are at the right spot and my son loved finally finding this "Treasure". The inside of the cache was a little damp, I think it has been leaking during all the recent rain, but the log book was dry in it's zip lock bag. Jonathan took the "Parachute guy" and left two packs of pencils. We'll see you on the trails.

I couldn 02 Aug 2003 by  Ken345  (Finds: 1  Score: 5.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

First of all we would like to thank Quinn for taking us to a great park. We were surprised to find the $4.00 entrance fee to this park, but the park is worth it. The map they give you when you come in leaves a lot to be desired and we wound up going the round about way to the sign. Perhaps we need to update their map. In this park it's easy to think you are heading the right direction only to find water between you and where you want to be. We had fun doing the math and figuring out the second set of coordinates and lo and behold it was within the range stated in the description. At this point I would suggest you truely read all the clues given since you are likely to go way out of your way if you don't. We know this because we missed some important information, wound up .12 miles from the correct spot only to be met with water between us and it. Reading everything could have saved us much walking. We got to the place we figured we should be, and even with an extended search for about an hour, we couldn't find the cache. We will look again another weekend, since we hate for so much effort to go into not finding it. This is the first one we couldn't find.

I found it! 25 Jul 2003 by  JK_n_VA  (Finds: 1  Score: 5.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

The mosquitos almost carried me off as I neared the cache early this morning. I had jogged over yesterday to get the first clue, went back today after having a dry place to do some much needed math. Had to do a little field repair on site, I was a bit too vicious opening it and almost needed some magnifying glasses to help reassemble. In the end, no problem, just a few bites. Cache was slightly damp inside, but the logbook was dry. Very well stocked, left a couple of Jamestown Quarters and an Army Pin. Took a mini-biner and two AAs that probably would have increased my GPSR reception and eased my hunt. This is a great cache. thanks. JK-n-VA

I found it! 16 Mar 2003 by  Raiders of the lost cache  (Finds: 2  Score: 12)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Found it!! But only on our 2nd attempt.We made a math mistake on the first try.It was a rainy Sunday,but we were determined to do or die.As it turned out,we found the cache only a couple of yards from where we searched the first time!!Traded a Skoal multi-function knife for the insulated mug and decided the take the Speed Bug travel bug for a quick spin around the area.My hat is off to Quinn for the most challenging cache yet.THANKS!!

I found it! 30 Jan 2003 by  PC Medic  (Finds: 4  Score: 19)    (Hidden: 2  Score: 8)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Found it Quinn!!
[Modified 2009-07-09 16:56:56]

I found it! 27 Sept 2002 by  Geo G  (Finds: 64  Score: 319)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Well, we followed the Mighty Quinn all the way to Virginia Beach, and it was worth it. This park is a real treasure, and some of the areas remind you of the deep south bayou country. We found the first waypoint with no trouble, and even got the math right for the second one. Not too much trouble locating it, but we sure had fun solving the puzzle. Left the Speed Bug travel bug, and swapped an emergency poncho for the Where's George stamp certificate. This should be easy, since we plan on being at the Letchworth Fall Cacher's gathering. You won't even have to mail it! Great hide, and a real terrific hiking area. We didn't even mind too much when it started raining. See you at Letchworth Quinn, thanks for the adventure.
Geo G and POG

I found it! 27 Sept 2002 by  avalanchefan21  (Finds: 1  Score: 5.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Outstanding find, well hidden and awesome challenge. Cache was in good condition, no litter around the area! GPS kept losing track so I had to use our compass and voila it was right in front of me. Took the flashlight and left behind a multitool knife w/ pouch.

I found it! 27 Sept 2002 by  Diablo803  (Finds: 4  Score: 19.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

This one was fun! It took my husband and I a while to find it. Of course, it might have helped if my math had been a bit more accurate! Guess I need to brush up on my addition and subtraction. This one was the hardest one we've done so far, as far as hiding spots since our GPS wouldn't work well in the foliage. Took an emergency blanket and left a metal spill proof cup. Good cache!

I found it! 17 Aug 2002 by  Kentucky_Navy  (Finds: 6  Score: 29.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Found the cache on my second attempt. If I had followed the instructions I would have found it the first time. Cache was in great shape. Took the glow stick and laynard. Left an emergency blanket,swiss type knife and 2 beaners.

Note 20 Jul 2002 by  Kentucky_Navy  (Finds: 6  Score: 29.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

snake in the grass
[Modified 2002-09-09 23:02:37] by Cache Owner


I couldn 20 Jul 2002 by  Kentucky_Navy  (Finds: 6  Score: 29.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Spent 2 hours looking around and only found a large snake.
did find a depression next to a log that look like it might have contained a cache at one point.

I found it! 27 May 2002 by  cacheKidds  (Finds: 18  Score: 64.5)    (Hidden: 14  Score: 58.5)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Success at last!! We walked by this spot many, many times but didn't get it before. I think the "no bushwhacking" threw us off a bit - we didn't think it would be off the trail that far. Anyway, we finally made it. We took picture #23, I think. We left Money 2000 and a zippo, took the wheresgeorge.com dollar and stamp.

Thanks for a good cache - we should trust our instincts next time!

-The Kidds + 2 first time cachers

Note 25 May 2002 by  Quinn  (Finds: 75  Score: 376)    (Hidden: 34  Score: 132.5)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Cache has been confirmed still in place and in great condition. To the last poser... you are correct with the sign you have and the coordinates you sent me were also correct. Maybe the reception of the area has flipped you a bit... try again?

Note 11 May 2002 by  cacheKidds  (Finds: 18  Score: 64.5)    (Hidden: 14  Score: 58.5)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

We surrender!!!! We have gone TWICE to find this one and no dice. We think we have the correct sign but our new coordinates didn't take us anywhere near the sign in the picture (which we did see today coming back from another cache).

Maybe the cache owner can tell us if we are on the right track!

I found it! 06 May 2002 by  Geo Leo  (Finds: 1  Score: 5.5)    (Hidden: 0  Score: 0)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

We really enjoyed this cache. My 10 yr old son loved converting the letters and doing all of the math to find the final coordinates as well as the 4 digit code. Just when I thought I had been everywhere there was to go in this park, you managed to find a spot that I haven't been to. Great location, great hiding spot, and great idea using the decoded coordinates.

We took the radio cases and left a flashlight kit with batteries.

Keith & Mike

I found it! 06 Apr 2002 by  Sea_Dog  (Finds: 1  Score: 5.5)    (Hidden: 1  Score: 3.5)
    Open Log:  Personal use only

Sea Dog and the Scoundrelettes found this cache first around 2:30 pm on a cool April afternoon. Actually it was much cooler at home so we were way overdressed. Once we got hiking in the woods, sheltered from the wind, we started shedding our outer layers. Loved the clues to this cache! We spend a lot of time in this park so I should have known what sign you were talking about before we even got there. The girls had a nice picnic while I figured out the new coords. Found the cache with no problems. As soon as we opened it we could tell there were mints inside. Fortunately we had appropriate trade items with us to trade all the food items out of the cache. I brought along mostly expensive items after reading the cache description. Thanks for a great cache in our favorite park! Mark, Allison, Michelle, and Katie


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